Heresy Alert!!! Bill Johnson, Jesus Culture and Bethel Church

Bill Johnson, Jesus Culture and Bethel Church

22ThursdayAug 2013


A move of God? Or a lie?

But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.  And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.  2 Cor 11:12-15



    • Bethel Church, Redding, CA, co-”pastored” by wife Beni, and “prophet” and pastor Kris Vallaton
    • Jesus Culture (a ministry of Bethel Church)11
    • Bethel’s School of Supernatural Ministry22, 25

Known for:  Word of Faith (WOF), Name it and claim it, New Apostolic Reformation (NAR, Third wave movement),  Dominionism, Joel’s Army, Latter Rain, Modern day Prophets and apostles, Manifest Sons of God (MSoG), Signs and wonders such as the ‘glory cloud’8 and ‘gold angel dust’9,10, feathers falling, gems appearing, conjuring angel orbs18, fire tunnels, spirit travel, out-of-body experiences18,  ‘healings’ (says those who preach God allows sickness is a different gospel1).  Prophecy, Portal travel (new-age & satanic)18,  extra-biblical revelation, raising the dead7,15, charismatic, praying in tongues, soaking, new wine movement, drunken glory, visualization, laughing movement.  Contemplative meditative practices such as chanting, soaking etc. taught in their school’s SOZO class.  Wife Beni uses tuning forks as a prophetic act, and also believes she is called to the ‘prophetic act of waking up angels’.  She says one of her friends ‘gets pretty wacked’ when the angels are around. 19

Associates (either at his church, or hosting events together):  C. Peter Wagner23 calls Johnson an Apostle25.  Johnson Frequently speaks at the “Voice of the Apostles” conference.  Lakeland Revival6,  Toronto Blessing.  Apostle/Prophet Chuck Pierce, Mike Bickle, Tattooed Healer Todd Bentley(Publicly endorsed 2011)6, Rick Joyner, IHOP, Prophet Bob Jones, Prophetess Patricia King (Xtreme Prophetic); Heidi Baker, John and Carol Arnott, Georgian and Winnie Banov, Randy Clark20, John Crowder (toking the Holy Ghost prophet) Revival Alliance, Reinhard Bonnke, Cindy Jacobs, Lou Engle, Prophet Kris Vallaton.

PUT TODD BENTLEY BACK INTO HIS POSITION (Not sure what he is – along with other profits, and apostlesses, after he abandoned his wife and children and married his affair)

Testimony of one delivered from Bethel  ‘cult’.   She points out how there is the manifestion we see oon the videos of the jerking, laughing, convulsing, shaking etc. we see on many of the videos.

Also the obvious for a ‘healer’ and prophet and signs and wonders fellow like Bill Johnson; he and his wife both wear glasses, has had surgeries, son is deaf, etc.  The miracles seem to manifest at convenient times.


Teaches Jesus was born again.

Bill Johnsons asks, “Did you know Jesus was born again?  I asked the first service, and they said, “no”, but I’ll show you it’s in the Bible.  He had to be, He became sin.” T. 3:48-4:55 of this video*1, 17


Teaches Jesus didn’t have any supernatural capabilities

Bill Johnson says, “Most all of the experiences of Jesus recorded in Scripture were prophetic examples of the realms in God that are made available to the believer. The Mount of Transfiguration raised the bar significantly on potential human experience…The overwhelming lesson in this story is that Jesus Christ, the Son of man, had the glory of God upon Him5. Jesus’s face shone with God’s glory, similar to Moses’s after he came down from the mountain… “ 4

“Jesus had no ability to heal the sick. He couldn’t cast out devils, and He had no ability to raise the dead. He said of Himself in John 5:19, “the Son can do nothing of Himself.” He had set aside His divinity.  … He put self-imposed restrictions on Himself to show that us we could do it, too.  Jesus so emptied Himself that He was incapable of doing what was required of Him by the Father – without the Father’s help.”26

WHAT???  Jesus had no ability to heal the sick?  This is proper understanding of Scripture?  I suggest they read Isaiah 66:2

Speaking again of Jesus, Johnson wrote“He performed  miracles ,  wonders ,  and   signs, as a man in right relationship to God…not as God. If He performed miracles because He was God, then they would be unattainable for us”.  13


Teaches the ‘ascended lifestyle’.

billjohnsonascendedSays that John :13 means Jesus ascended into heaven before His physical ascension and that is an “invitation for every believer”.2 3  He also says about the ascension of Christ, “The resurrection of Christ is actually your resurrection.  His ascension is actually your legal access to heavenly realms”.2

In the non-professing New Age Movement, check into the angels, the Rainbow, the Pyramid, the ascended master, the Christ within us.  I recommend Constance Cumbey’s book, “The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow: The New Age Movement and the Coming Age of Barbarianism.”

Extra-biblical revelation

Johnson writes, “Those who feel safe because of their intellectual grasp of Scriptures enjoy a false sense of security. None of us has a full grasp of Scripture, but we all have the Holy Spirit. He is our common denominator who will always lead us into truth. But to follow Him, we must be willing to follow off the map—to go beyond what we know”.  14

Sounds about right, UNTIL, he gets to where he is going, we have to follow ‘off the map’…. Isn’t that how people get lost?  


BC pastor-prophet Kris Vallotton regarding raising the dead


Another subject that has drawn a lot of attention recently is dead raising. I need to be honest; I have personally never raised anyone from the dead although I have tried twice. But here again Jesus said, “And as you go, preach, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons….,” (Matthew 10:7-8).14


  1. I will not embrace an end-time worldview that re-empowers a disempowered devil.
  2. I will not accept an eschatology that takes away my children’s future, and creates mindsets that undermine the mentality of leaving a legacy.
  3. I will not tolerate any theology that sabotages the clear command of Jesus to make disciples of all nations and the Lord’s Prayer that earth would be like heaven.
  4. I will not allow any interpretation of the scriptures that destroys hope for the nations and undermines our command to restore ruined cities
  5. I will not embrace an eschatology that changes the nature of a good God.
  6. I refuse to embrace any mindset that celebrates bad news as a sign of the times and a necessary requirement for the return of Jesus.
  7. I am opposed to any doctrinal position that pushes the promises of God into a time zone that can’t be obtained in my generation and therefore takes away any responsibility I have to believe God for them in my lifetime.
  8. I don’t believe that the last days are a time of judgment, nor do I believe God gave the church the right to call for wrath for sinful cities. There is a day of judgment in which GOD will judge man, not us.

All quotes from this link:


Bethel Students soaking up anointing from dead men

IN THE VIDEO FOOTNOTE: Goes to graves… First, soaking up the anointing from the grave of false prophet Smith Wigglesworth.  Says Holy Spirit still exists in the grave.  Punching the devil out of people.  Releasing anointing of a ‘chapel building’, etc. 16

Toking of the Holy Ghost: With Bill Johnson’s tacit endorsement, BSSM students followed John Crowder’s lead (of the “toking the ghost,” “Jehovah-juana” paganism) in “sucking up the anointing” of dead people.  As Fawcett notes, Johnson will begin his own holy relic museum to restore the lost anointing of “God’s generals” to the present church.  Just as Roman Catholics believe that the belongings of late saints can earn gain someone divine assistance and even miracles, Bethel seems intent on calling Christians to the mysticism of object worship. 35

Tattoo  Readings In addition to “normal” prophetic words, those who attended Bethel’s “Power and Love Conference” in February received readings based on their tattoos and piercings.  Doug Addison can interpret the hidden messages on your body and even train you to do the same.  You don’t even have to fly to where he is; for the reasonable fee of $150, he can tickle your ears over the phone for thirty minutes. 35

STUDENTS FORGIVE SINS: Girl at Bethel says God tells her to forgive an unconscious dying man’s sins, and said he’ll be forgiven. She released God’s power over him and told him he would enter God’s kingdom…33


Kenosis Doctrine

Footnote 24 – see more info on footnote.




Bill Johnson believes and teaches;

Healing in the Atonement – He says, Doctrine teaches, through Christ’s death, all believers are given physical healing.

      1. God never causes sickness.
      2. God always chooses to heal.
      3. Paul’s thorn in the flesh was definitely not a physical ailment.
      4. If you do not believe in healing on demand, you arepreaching another gospel (Gal 1:6-9)

“I refuse to create a theology that allows for sickness.” Bill Johnson21

Interesting, since the Bible’s truth speaks and allows for sickness whether Mr. Johnson does or not, the TRUTH still stands.

On the “Christ Anointing”31 – Speaks for itself



Elijah Generation & Anointing

Johnson believes that there will be a great end-time revival that will be initiated by an “Elijah generation”(a concept from the heretical Latter Rain movement) that shall transcend all other generations of Christians in regard to their ability to do great works of power. 27

Johnson claims the following about himself and associates: “We will carry the Elijah anointing in preparing for the return of the Lord in the same way that John the Baptist carried the Elijah anointing and prepared the people for the coming of the Lord” (Johnson: 184). 28 (Where do find that in Scripture?)


Glory Cloud, Feathers, Gold flakes

  • Bill Johnson speaks in his own voice on Bethel TV regarding the angel dust etc.  First, at about 1:35 on the clip, you can hear about the “glory cloud hovering over his platform at church with gold, smoke, dust, teeny, weeny little flakes”…
  • At about 4:30, you can hear Bill Johnson talk about the feathers falling in his service, their homes, and restaurants, explains it with God “covering us with His feathers”.
  • At about 6:00 you can hear how on a plane, gold flakes started to fall out of the air and people got saved (without hearing the gospel-Rom 10:14-17).



Johnson interprets the Lord’s Prayer, which is primarily a prayer for the return on Christ, in terms of his “kingdom now” theology: “This is the primary purpose for all prayer—if it exists in heaven, it is to be loosed on earth”. This means that if we do not have problem free lives, we are lacking faith, praying wrongly, or failing to understand our role as having dominion. Johnson explains: “Such an invasion causes the circumstances here to line up with heaven”. 30



House of Generals – Greatest Library of Revivalist Materials

In this video on Bethel, Johnson mentions these ‘great revivalists’ that he says the Lord told him to honor with this library, “because they have walked faithfully before the Lord in the past”.  Johnson continued, “He will give us access to their anointings…” (Their students hang out at graves to soak in the anointing.  Necromancy.)


Some names he mentions: YIKES!

Billy Graham, Aimee Semple McPherson, Smith Wigglesworth, William Branham, Kathryn Kuhlman, John G. Lake, John Wimber, William J. Seymour, Maria Woodworth Etter, Lorenzo Dow, Alexander Dowie, Jack Coe, Evan Roberts.32


BAND Jesus Culture 

Kim Walker testifies to seeing Jesus in person (like a stretch Armstrong doll she said).  She also sees God the Father in person, who tears a piece of His heart right out of His chest.34

I don’t know WHAT she saw, but it was NOT God the Father, nor Jesus.


Bill Johnson:“Owls represent the prophetic. They see in the night.”36


Footnotes: (Citations, not recommendations)

1   (*Now explains it as he was born again through the resurrection.)

4  (Face to Face with God 2007, Charisma House, Lake Mary, FL; p 200.)


6  (Says Lakeland was an anointing by God, we will be ‘blessed and encouraged by)



9 (not a fan of wretched)


11  Screenshot of JC’s FB statement –


13 (Johnson,  “When Heaven Invades Earth”, p. 29).

14  (Johnson,  “When Heaven Invades Earth”,  p. 76)




18 Michael Boehm (Youth Apologetic’s training) –


20 Guest speakers at their school frequently.


22 Claims to be unique because they teach with ‘apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, & teachers….not by professors or theologions’

23 C. Peter Wagner, International Coalition of Apostles included Bill Johnson as one of the apostles who would give Todd Bentley his ‘ministry’ back.

24   Johnson says, “He performed miracles, wonders, and signs, as a man in right relationship to God . . . . not as God. If He performed miracles because He was God, then they would be unattainable for us” (Johnson: 29; emphasis and ellipses in original).  Johnson’s theology requires that Christians do greater miracles than Jesus. If Jesus’ divinity had any influence on His mighty works, then we might think we could not do the same (and rightly so). So Johnson embraces what is often called thekenosis heresy—that Jesus laid aside His divine nature. He writes elsewhere: “He laid his divinity aside as He sought to fulfill the assignment given to Him by the Father . . .” (Johnson: 79).

25 DVD curriculum from the Bethel School (BSSM) offers the ‘apostolic and prophetic voice of Bill Johnson.

26 (Page 50; “The Supernatural Power of a Transformed Mind”).

27  Bill Johnson, When Heaven Invades Earth – A Practical Guide to a Life of Miracles, (Shippensburg, PA: Destiny Image, 2003) 150

28  Bob Dewaay from CIC Ministries.

29  (“When Heaven Invades Earth” page 141)

30 (“When Heaven Invades Earth” page 59)  A review of the book:








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131 Responses to Heresy Alert!!! Bill Johnson, Jesus Culture and Bethel Church

  1. What a helpful summary! Will repost as a follow-on to my recent post. If you watch the video of BJ and KV I would be interested in your comments. There is some very disturbing stuff talked about. Hence my post.

  2. Reblogged this on The Narrowing Path and commented:
    This is a summary of the false teachings of Bethel Church, Bill Johnson and Jesus Culture.

  3. Shofar says:

    Thank you for this detailed post of apostasy and deception in the church and thank you for the Follow. You are living up to your blog name! God bless you!

  4. Julia says:

    Thank You for being a watchmen unafraid of uncovering the lies this man pours out like water to the people…..Your website shows a true following of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.God Bless You.

  5. cabervios says:

    I feel so sorry for you. Whether it not you’re right and bethel is wrong, god asks us to walk in love. We were also commanded by Paul to “mark” the supposed heretics. Why don’t you start praying if you really feel there is wrong doings. Stop verbally crucifying children of God who are just as able to submit and enter Gods kingdom. We’re all sinners so none of you are better than anyone…

    • Mary says:

      Thank you for bringing love into the equation. I’ve read just one of his books (Face to Face with God) and did indeed find some of it disturbing – but there was also some good stuff in there, and I feel I have come closer to God as a result. I don’t intend to read any other book by him, but I have prayed for him, that God would bless him and keep him in the truth. Much of what he says is clearly heretical, but God can turn him round.

      • Mary,
        He’s one of the wolves The Bible warns us about.
        Your ears got tickled by a master-manipulator.


      • Mary,
        Bill Johnson and others like him are the “false teachers” we are Biblically commanded to warn the flock against.
        Absolutely, pray for him…but please do not ever stop doing what The Bible also commands in terms of protecting the sheep from the wolves.


      • Barb Johnson says:

        My dad always said ” there’s some good stuff in the garbage but you wouldn’t go there for dinner”

    • I humbly encourage you to look at the many posts on this blog where we are Biblically encouraged and commanded to correct and expose false teachings and false teachers.


    • beau says:

      @ cabervios.
      satan is an angel of light. he will deceive anyone who lets him. we are called to be God’s children not cult followers.
      if a person’s ‘salvation’ is based on how they feel about God in church then satan has won half the battle.
      if we as Christians follow the flashy preacher and base our righteousness on how much we follow that persons teaching then we are truly doomed.
      we as God’s children are expected to NEVER accept anything on face value, we are instructed by God’s word to test every spirit.
      as is said up the top- satan is an angel of light he will mix half truths with truth and then mix in lies in order to lead you away from Christ.
      ( at his most influential he will add 99% truth and 1% false doctrine in order to make you believe.)
      As time goes on the truth lie mix becomes more equal until you either turn totally away from God because of dualistic messages or you will start to be a witness for satan in leading other God fearing people away.
      make no mistake this is real warfare, the ONLY resources we have in fighting satan is God’s word, our Salvation in Jesus Christ and acting on what The Holy Spirit puts into our heart.
      one of the most dangerous doctrines that we face in 2015 is the name it and claim it, or prosperity gospel.
      the underlining message is if we give a certain amount to the church then God has to give back to you and if you dont give enough then God will not bless you.
      this is a plain lie and is so disgusting to God- God never said in the bible that we should focus on worldly items and power but we should lay up our riches in Heaven.
      there is a very good story of Lazarus and the rich man that you should read.
      one last point is tithes and offerings.
      God imposed a tithe on his people in the book of leviticus. the purpose of it was so his priesthood would be able to function.
      that is an old testament law and has NO function in the age of grace.
      we are told by Jesus himself to give to the needy sick and disadvantaged and this New Testament teaching is called Alms.
      false teachers will use the issue of tithes and offerings so they can first line there own pocket and then give some to the poor.
      if a church is established on the backs of its congregation then you need to ask if that church is God’s will.
      in saying that its a perfectly acceptable teaching for a church leader to ask for money IF theres a clear goal in mind for that money. (such as outreach)
      if a church isnt disclosing every cent of donations it receives to ALL of the congregation then this is really bad sign.
      if the church doesnt have enough money then its the responsibilty of the church leader to get a part time job and inject cash into the ministry.
      he is the head of the church after all and is your servant NOT the other way around.
      lofty expectations??? more than likely.
      However you need to ask would do you think Jesus would do?
      is your perception of Jesus as someone who lets others do the work? or do you think Jesus would be out in fields if there was a clear need?
      Jesus would take the concerns of his people and pray to his Father and as is evidenced so many times in the Bible God provided PHYSICAL sustenance the same way he provided spiritual guiding.
      obviously we are not Jesus and we must act within our abilities and since we are a finite creation ( ie we need sleep food etc) we should be the first out there working and the last to come home.
      if a church leader doesnt live by example then find another church.

    • Top Gun says:

      We’re all sinners? I’m sorry but Christ set me free from sin. Don’t think that believers are saints? Read Paul’s letters when he addresses the churches. Renew your mind. Calling yourself a sinner means you don’t understand what Christ has done. We are a called to be holy (to be saints not sinners), walking after the Spirit. God is light, if we say we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness(sin), we lie and do not the truth. Walk into and stay in the light and the blood of Jesus Christ will cleanse you.

      Read the bible and ask for revelation regarding this. We are no longer slave to sin, we serve righteousness. Sin has no dominion over you. Do you want to be identified as a sinner or a saint? Renew your mind. We are new creations in Christ.

      • You’re playing word games, brother.
        If you eat, you’re an eater.
        If you drive, you are a driver.
        If you preach false doctrine, you’re a heretic.
        If you sin, you’re a sinner.

        No one is denying our being now known as “saints”.
        But I’m hoping you would agree you have not stopped sinning. Therefore, you’re ALSO a sinner.

        Some call me “dad”. Some call me “hey you!”
        I answer to both.
        I am a sinner who is now also called a saint. My sainthood does not stop me from sinning. My sainthood absolves me from the eternal just consequences of my sin.


      • Jerry says:

        Unless, you are perfect and in Heaven, you are a sinner. Otherwise you state an untruth and a blasphemy. No one on earth is sinless. Christ set you free from original sin but you are still human and still sin….to say otherwise is not Christian or Scriptural. You still have a free will – that’s what makes you human. The world, the flesh and the Devil – you and everyone has to deal with that and struggle with it until we die. Why did Paul say that he had to work out his salvation with fear and trembling?

      • Top Gun says:

        Do you lack comphresion skills? Do you have ANY reading skills? I guess by your conclusions Paul spoke blasphemy too when he wrote these….

        Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

        Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

        Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

        1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

        So again try reading what I wrote instead of making conclusions that I said “I’m sinless”.

        “Christ set you free from original sin but you are still human and still sin”

        Oh and that makes me wonder if you do “tremble with fear for your salvation”. Seriously? So we still get to live with sin? The only sin we’re free from is “original sin”? What you said is unscriptural. A person CAN turn from their sin. That’s what makes the gospel the gospel! We are given Christ’s righteousness because we WERE once no go sinners. To still sin makes light of that righteousness that was poured out on the cross for us. It’s a kick in the face if we stain the garment that was given to us.

      • Do you lack comphresion skills? Do you have ANY reading skills?

        (First off, Top Gun, your “put downs” and sarcasms are unnecessary in making your points. You are engaging in a manipulation called shaming when you begin your defense in this way and it acts more to minimize whatever follows. When you begin like this, by attempting to offend someone personally, you do not bring any reasonable person to your side of an issue. Rather, you attempt to manipulate your audience, through abusive language. Please refrain from this type of tactic in the future, at least on this site.).

        I guess by your conclusions Paul spoke blasphemy too when he wrote these….

        Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

        Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

        Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

        1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

        (No, Paul did not blaspheme.)

        So again try reading what I wrote instead of making conclusions that I said “I’m sinless”.

        “Christ set you free from original sin but you are still human and still sin”

        Oh and that makes me wonder if you do “tremble with fear for your salvation”. Seriously? So we still get to live with sin? The only sin we’re free from is “original sin”? What you said is unscriptural. A person CAN turn from their sin. That’s what makes the gospel the gospel! We are given Christ’s righteousness because we WERE once no go sinners. To still sin makes light of that righteousness that was poured out on the cross for us. It’s a kick in the face if we stain the garment that was given to us.

        (I’m afraid I do not see where it is anywhere written one of the elect is “free from ‘original sin'”. Would you be kind enough to illuminate that for us from Scripture? Yes, God has made it abundantly clear that, for His elect, Christ’s blood sufficiently paid the price for our sin and put an end to a hell-bound afterlife. But, Top Gun, aren’t we still living in a fallen world as a result of “original sin”? Don’t we interact with the consequences of “original sin” in every moment? Aren’t the bodies in which our spirit resides fallen as a result of “original sin”? It is difficult for me to see how you are able to say, “Christ set you free from original sin…”. Now, if you meant to say Christ set the elect free from the ultimate consequences of “original sin” that fallen man could not do on his own, we would certainly be in agreement.)

        1 John 1:8-10New American Standard Bible (NASB)

        8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

        What are your thoughts?


      • Top Gun says:

        Sorry SG but I have to do it….read my first two sentences of my last comment, then read “Jerry’s” post. “Jerry” has a problem with people “using” the word “saint”, for believers.

        And my point is clear….people read what they want to read, and read INTO what they want to read when God’s word is spelt out for them.

        PS you missed verses 5-7 in 1 John 1. Repetition was used as emphasis, and you do no justice to what John was trying to convey if you ignore those other verses.

      • maaachiaa says:

        you are very right top gun,we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. People, you need to know who you are in Christ,the finished work on the cross was so you and i would have power to overcome sin. Greater works is what Jesus said we will do, we are His ambassadors, we represent Him, so that His will will have an outlet in us. It is the same Spirit which raised Christ from the dead that we received when we accepted Christ. so that we may work the works of Him.

        Elisha’s bones raised the dead,probably that is the reason for this teaching but the truth is that you need to know the word for yourself.

        i bet most of us would have had problem with Jesus saying “this is my body broken for you…….this is my blood drink it” if we were present.Yes the enemy has infilitrated christianity but lets not be found in the error of the Pharisees who called the son of God beelzebub. If you know the Jesus we proclaim then you can tell a counterfeit from the real one.

      • Dan says:

        Romans 7:24-25

      • Thank you, Dan.

  6. Dean says:

    Thanks for this It is obvious that Bill Johnson is as dangerously deluded as Jesus himself was. Jesus shoud never have done crazy stuff like raising the dead or healing people. He should have just run a nice quiet religion which bothered no-one and had someneat theological ideas. Now that the sort of christianity I’m confortable with. Jesus and people like him who take the bible literally are just dangerous heretical extremists that we have to proect the sheep from. Thank you for alerting us to the dangers of following people who actually believe and practice the bible instead of reinterpreting it to suit us.

    • Hi Dean,

      Your comparison of Bill Johnson and Jesus is certainly interesting but it doesn’t work too well because Jesus IS God. Bill Johnson, the NAR apostle, only believes himself to be a god.


    • sharon says:

      Absolutely Dean! thankyou thankyou! Lets all meet up in heaven oneday and discuss the issues further. Im sure God will correct Bill and Jesus for putting such pressure on us to believe.

  7. Dean says:

    Thanks. Does Bill believe that he is God? Are you sure about that? Please send me the link or evidence or withdraw it. No obviously Bill is dangerous, like Jesus was. We need to strip christianity from any claim of power or the ability to transform lives supernatually. This is most dangerous cos we might have to actually believe that God is real and not some fable. We have to put God in to a box that we control. Anything that does anything out is just way too much like Jesus, right?

    • Hi Dean,
      Sadly, you have twisted my words and added to them.
      If you re-read my reply to your last comment, I stated Bill Johnson “believes himself to be a god”. That is very different than saying he believes “…that he is God”.

      Blessings Always

    • maaachiaa says:

      having a form of Godliness and denying its power huh?

  8. Don the Baptist says:

    I have read your post. You, I believe, are comfortable in your relationship with the God of the Bible. I recently had an experience with the God of the Bible that was outside my religious box! I had to decide whether I would “get out of the boat” I was in, so as to join God in what He was doing, or stay in my boat (religious box) where I was comfortable. I chose God. The thoughts of man are far too inferior to the thoughts and intents of Papa God for me to listen to the many conflicting voices of man alone. The Holy Spirit resides within me and the Bible says that He, and not man, is my teacher. I encourage you to live, not from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil but from the Tree of Life. The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. He does not promote life. God is all about love and in that respect we are to be like Him. Castigating things you don’t understand and condemning things that you have not experienced only serves to put you outside the realm of fully experiencing the God of the Bible. Believe me, He is larger than your powers of comprehension and He does deal with people today in ways that are not necessarily addressed in the Holy Writ. My prayer is that you will love your fellow man in such a way that you will allow him to disagree with you on these issues. As you forgive and release him from being different from you, you set yourself free from judging and from bitterness and you place them in God’s hands to deal with them as He sees fit. My question for you is have you spent as much time developing your relationship with the Trinity as you have spent posting and blogging about things you may not understand; about issues with which you disagree? Finally, I find it interesting that we condemn other people for “sinning” in ways different from us.

    • The Bible…. enlightens the dark, instructs the ignorant, comforts the desponding, directs the lost, encourages the seeking, assures the waiting soul, warns the wayward, threatens the unruly, condemns the impenitent, invites the weary, strengthens the weak, consoles the dejected, alarms the careless, accuses the indifferent, confounds the worldly-wise, cautions the venturesome, reproves the heedless, gives promises to the diligent, frowns on the thoughtless, curses the profane, damns the hypocrite, urges the halting, exhorts the obedient, rewards the persevering, debases man, exalts the Savior, glorifies God, astonishes angels, confounds infidels, delights perishing sinners. The Bible is God’s will, the saints’ treasure and the devils’ eye-sore!

      James Smith (September 17, 1719 – July 11, 1806)

    • “…He does deal with people today in ways that are not necessarily addressed in the Holy Writ.”

      If just this one statement is true, we need to open the Canon of Scripture for the “new revelations” God is using to deal with people.
      Are you really prepared to do that?

      If not, you are joined by a long line of false teachers, false prophets and self-appointed apostles in heresy.

      If so, you’d do well to read where God has specifically stated nothing is to be added or taken or taken away.

      I’m sorry, Don. You are wrong.


      • beau says:

        God Bless the original poster. you are not alone. take heart and continue to expose false teaching.
        the way to Eternal life is a door that is narrow- not many people will find it and the fact that you are facing much criticism is indicitive that satan is fighting you.
        we will meet one day in the presence of the Living Lord Jesus Christ.

      • Andrew says:

        Hi shepherdguardian, many blessings to you. I know you are probably not checking this anymore but I am siding with God, scripture, and you. I would only disagree on the statement of the scripture found in Revelation. When it says not to add or takeaway, it is talking about Revelation. The other books of the Bible had not been compiled into what we know today as the Bible yet. So John was just refering to “this scroll of prophecy”. Not plural. I used to think the same thing and I know that definitely opens a new realm of possibilities. I do think we could write our own life stories and it could be considered something to be biblical; but like with all of scripture it must line up and flow with scripture and not be at clear odds with it. For that reason their are many books left out of the Christian Protestant Bible, but there are some added books to the Catholic or Greek Bible. May God bless you on your journey in life.

    • Hi Don,
      Just wondering if any of these nine things are part of the “new Things” God is doing?

      9 Distinctives of Lordship Salvation
      Pastor Joe Quatrone, Jr.

      The gospel Jesus proclaimed was a call to disciples to follow Him in submissive obedience, not just a plea to make a decision or pray a prayer. Jesus’ message liberated people from the bondage of their sin while it confronted and condemned hypocrisy. It was an offer of eternal life and forgiveness for repentant sinners, but at the same time it was a rebuke to outwardly religious people whose lives were devoid of true righteousness. It put sinners on notice that they must turn from sin and embrace God’s righteousness. Our Lord’s words about eternal life were invariably accompanied by warnings to those who might be tempted to take salvation lightly. He taught the cost of following Him is high, the way is narrow and few find it. He said many who call Him Lord will be forbidden from entering the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 7:13-23).

      However, present-day evangelicalism, by and large, ignores these warnings. The prevailing view of what constitutes saving faith continues to grow broader and shallower, while the portrayal of Christ in preaching and witnessing becomes fuzzy. Anyone who claims to be a Christian can find someone willing to accept a profession of faith, whether or not the person’s behavior shows any evidence of commitment to Christ. In this way, faith has become merely an intellectual exercise. Instead of calling men and women to surrender to Christ, modern evangelism asks them only to accept some basic facts about Him.

      This shallow understanding of salvation and the gospel, known as “easy-believism,” stands in stark contrast to what the Bible teaches. To put it simply, the gospel call to faith presupposes sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority. This, in a nutshell, is what is commonly referred to as lordship salvation.

      There are many articles of faith that are fundamental to all evangelical teaching. There is agreement among all believers on the following truths: (1) Christ’s death purchased eternal salvation; (2) the saved are justified by grace through faith in Christ alone; (3) sinners cannot earn God’s favor; (4) God requires no preparatory works or pre-salvation reformation; (5) eternal life is a gift of God; (6) believers are saved before their faith ever produces any righteous works; and (7) Christians can and do sin, sometimes horribly.

      What, then, are the distinctives of lordship salvation? What does Scripture teach that is embraced by those who affirm lordship salvation, but rejected by proponents of “easy-believism”? The following are nine distinctives concerning a biblical understanding of salvation and the gospel:

      First, Scripture teaches the gospel calls sinners to faith joined in oneness with repentance(Acts 2:38; 17:30; 20:21; 2 Pet. 3:9). Repentance is a turning from sin (Acts 3:19; Lk. 24:47) that consists not of a human work, but of a divinely bestowed grace (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25). It is a change of heart and genuine repentance will affect a change of behavior as well (Lk. 3:8; Acts 26:18-20). In contrast, easy-believism teaches repentance is simply a synonym for faith and no turning from sin is necessary for salvation.

      Second, Scripture teaches salvation is all God’s work. Those who believe are saved utterly apart from any effort on their own (Tit. 3:5). Even faith is a gift of God, not a work of man (Eph. 2:1-9). Real faith cannot be defective or short-lived, but endures forever (Phil. 1:6;Heb. 11).

      Third, Scripture teaches the object of faith is Christ Himself, not a creed or a promise (Jn. 3:16). Faith involves personal commitment to Christ (2 Cor. 5:15). All true believers follow Jesus (Jn. 10:27-28). In contrast, easy-believism teaches saving faith is simply being convinced or giving credence to the truth of the gospel and does not include a personal commitment to the person of Christ.

      Fourth, Scripture teaches real faith inevitably produces a changed life (2 Cor. 5:17). Salvation includes a transformation of the inner person (Gal. 2:20). The nature of the Christian is new and different (Rom. 6:6), though, not perfect until he reaches heaven. Enmity with God will not continue when a person is born again (1 Jn. 3:9-10). Those with genuine faith follow Christ (Jn. 10:27), love their brothers (1 Jn. 3:14), obey God’s commandments (1 Jn. 2:3; Jn. 15:14), do the will of God (Mt. 12:50), abide in God’s Word (Jn. 8:31), keep God’s Word (Jn. 17:6), do good works (Eph. 2:10), and continue in the faith (Col. 1:21-23; Heb. 3:14). These are outward signs of an inward faith. In contrast, easy-believism teaches that although some spiritual fruit is inevitable, that fruit might not be visible to others and Christians can even lapse into a state of permanent spiritual barrenness.

      Fifth, Scripture teaches God’s gift of eternal life includes all that pertains to life and godliness (2 Pet. 1:3; Rom. 8:32), not just a ticket to heaven. In contrast, easy-believism teaches only the judicial aspects of salvation (justification, adoption, and positional sanctification) are guaranteed for believers in this life; practical sanctification and growth in grace is not guaranteed.

      Sixth, Scripture teaches Jesus is Lord of all and the faith He demands involves unconditional surrender (Rom. 6:17-18, 10:9-10). Christ does not bestow eternal life on those whose hearts remain set against Him (Jas. 4:6). Surrender to Jesus’ lordship is a result of salvation; the summons to submission is at the heart of the gospel invitation throughout Scripture. In contrast, easy-believism teaches submission to Christ’s supreme authority is not pertinent.

      Seventh, Scripture teaches those who truly believe will love Christ (1 Pet. 1:8-9; Rom. 8:28-30; 1 Cor. 16:22) and long to obey Him (Jn. 14:15, 23). In contrast, easy-believism teaches Christians may fall into a state of lifelong carnality and sinful living.

      Eighth, Scripture teaches our behavior is an important test of our faith. Obedience is evidence our faith is real (1 Jn. 2:3). On the other hand, the person who remains utterly unwilling to obey Christ does not evidence true faith (1 Jn. 2:4). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one’s faith.

      Ninth, Scripture teaches genuine believers may stumble and fall, but they will persevere in the faith (1 Cor. 1:8). While the true Christian is not perfect until he reaches heaven, his attitude toward sin will change. Those who later turn completely away from the Lord show they were never truly born again (1 Jn. 2:19).

      Most Christians recognize these nine distinctives are not new or radical ideas. The preponderance of Bible-believing Christians over the centuries have held these to be basic tenets of the faith. We cannot spurn the lordship of Christ, yet lay claim to Him as Savior.

      This issue is not a trivial one. In fact, how could any issue be more important? The gospel that is presented to unbelievers has eternal ramifications. If it is the true gospel, it can direct men and women into the everlasting kingdom. If it is a corrupted message, it can give unsaved people false hope that leads to eternal damnation. This is not merely a matter for theologians to discuss and speculate about. This is an issue every single pastor and lay person must understand in order that the gospel may be rightly proclaimed to all nations

    • Don the Baptist,
      Thank you for your post. Even if EVERYTHING Shepherd Guardian said was right, it comes through with such hatred, condemnation and bitterness. I want to read what the post is saying, but my spirit grieves so much through the condemnation, I cannot receive it. I pray the through fasting and prayer, SG would get on his face and ask Jesus WHAT he can do to still feel likes he is the hands and feet of Jesus without being condemning. SG my question is, how can you condemn (whether you are right or not) when the bible says not to and Jesus tells us NOT to judge?

  9. Top Gun says:

    What is with this sinners theology? Did Jesus not come to save us FROM our sin not in our sin? Why are we cleansing the cup outside but not on the inside? Why can’t we experience the freedom that Romans 6 proclaims? Yes I have stopped sinning….stopped from what God has shown me is wrong. I don’t want to go down that road again. By truth and mercy my sins are systematically being purged as I seek righteousness each day, each step I’m close to being ready to take part in the Kingdom of God. That day will come when I will stand in front of my Lord and I will praise Him for His enduring mercy and the blood He spilt on the cross to cleanse me from all sin.

    You have to hate evil (sin) to be free from it. The word of God proclaims that whoever is born of God does not continue living in sin.

    I’m sorry but if you see your identity in Christ as a sinner more than a saint (holy person), you need revelation about who you are in Christ and what Christ has done. We are new creations, with the Holy Spirit living inside of us now. The bible does say “be ye holy, for he is holy”. We are meant to be holy people of God, not sinners of God or not both either.

    We can’t serve sin and righteousness. It all comes down to renewing our mind and knowing who we are in Christ, that we are free FROM sin and not OF sin. We don’t have to live in bondage and we don’t have to create theology to fit what happens in our lives.

    And yes our sainthood does not stop us from sinning, but the fear of the LORD does. “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.” “By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil. ” If we don’t have the fear of the LORD, quite frankly we won’t care and we won’t stop sinning. And yes I’m not fully without sin but I’m not where I was when I got saved nor am I in anther corner saying, “I’m under grace, I know this is wrong because I have been shown this but God’s grace covers me”.

    We have to build a foundation on reverence toward the righteousness of God. We cannot make Jesus Lord over our lives if we do not hate the things He hates, which is evil itself.

    Note to all readers: If you’re falling into sin but HATE it, you only need to read the word of God to renew your mind and set you free. Sometimes it’s the “we’re all sinners living under grace” mentality, even though Jesus came to set us free from sin, that keeps you under bondage. I know because I was one of those people. I read the truth but didn’t believe it, I went with the crowd that said sin is more powerful than the blood of Jesus Christ, thus we are all still sinners living under grace.

  10. Gabriella says:

    good job taking things out of context, Jesus only performed miracles after He was baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit, this page is kind of a mess, not very easy to follow

  11. Shawn says:

    Thanks for this page, just stumbled across it today. If anyone is interested in learning more about Sozo that was launched by Bethel and has spread throughout the Church, please check out my site and provide comments:

  12. Donna Cooley says:

    I don’t understand how the Bethel people can lay on the grave of Billy Graham for anointing when he’s still alive. I’ve met people from Bethel and I haven’t heard anyone say anything about laying on graves. Sounds like a rumor since it’s claimed they’re laying on living people’s graves. Bethel leaders never claimed that everyone will be healed. God took care of Bill’s eyes by supplying him with glasses. Bethel does not condemn medical help.

  13. Bimmer says:

    The fruit that comes from the tree that is Bethel is astounding. Rheinhart Boonke, Heidi Baker and the others mentioned in the article. The fruit from SG? Still waiting. So far it is bitter, tastes like the water from the dead sea which cannot sustain life. But who am I to judge? God loves SG and it’s adherents as much as he loves me.
    I can witness to this…and this is not a false witness. My life before God is now more pure and Holy and Righteous than ever before. For now we have become The Righteousness of God. He has broken the chains of sin and I can hear his loving voice. He interprets my dreams for me to lead me forward to expand His Kingdom. The voices of the enemy have been silenced.
    For 30 yrs I listened to people and organizations such as SG and could not find the narrow path. I praise God for now I see the narrow path, and it’s not because of a particular sermon on the subject. If one has even a question of what the narrow path is then one has not seen it and it cannot be described in words for the reality of it is a mystery to those who are not on it. I praise God for raising up a people such as Bethel.
    Whether SG believes that I’m delusional and deceived is irrelevant to me. for I must walk out my life of faith in Him, not SG or anyone elses logic or apparent wisdom that comes from logic. I see only Jesus and His sacrifice, and what He has done. When it is my time to stand before the throne of Judgement I will point to Jesus and I already know the outcome of that moment.
    In Love

    • Daniel says:

      How can u support someone who says Jesus isn’t God? That’s textbook heresy against the trinity… I won’t get caught up in a debate, but u need to compare scripture with what this man has said. If you find they don’t jive (they don’t) whose word will you hold in higher regard? His or Gods? If you find yourself holding his higher, repent. ..don’t fall in love with the idea of a church, follow God and His word only

    • Happy for you!
      I hope, for you, you are correct.

  14. Renee says:

    Bethels phone number is 246 6600. 2 plus 4 is 6. It is literally 6666. Look at the address of the cornerstone to the road leading up to Bethel. 666.

    I have friends IN the Bethel cult they are so brainwashed you can not even hold a normal conversation with them.

    The way to tell if it is Godly is if it bears fruit. Bethel bears MONEY. Money for them. For their fold. They build their Babylon on a daily basis expanding it with money from the cultees.

    I have seen it firsthand. Fakery. Jewels falling from bibles. People running around. Chaos. Really sweet followers blinsly following without knowledge as to whome they are truly in league with.

    I went 3 times to that cult. My entire body shivered and i had to leave in a blind panic every single time. God told me NO! Under no circumstances are you to go in there.

    He told me that what i allow will permeate my soul.

    He said, “Not only have you seen this, but you have felt it. Do not go there and wipe the dust from your feet when you go. “

    • Matthew 18:5-9 ESV

      “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.

  15. Cindra Rayburn says:

    I have just returned from a Missions trip to China and was asked to look for info on the Bethel Supernatural School of Ministry. While on their web site it all seemed so simple and interesting. This new Christian I met in China was hoping to attend there this Fall, so I offered to look into it. (They are blocked by their government for much on line web sites) Now I am confused. Have you attended this church often or were you directed to write a blog about them? Any info. on their college curriculum? If that’s even what it is called. I hesitate to reply to my new friend as I would be so very sad to see her waste her money only to find it confusing.
    In His Grip,

    • Hi Cindra,
      Thank you for your comment and your questions.
      My personal experience with Bethel is through those of my ex-wife. Bethel Church teaches hyper-Charasmania. Their leader , Bill Johnson, teaches he is a modern-day apostle and others on staff teach try are modern-day prophets. This is called “New Apostolic Reformation”. It is pure heresy. They teach mysticism, tongues, signs and wonders and grave-sucking. Bill Johnson teaches Jesus was not God while He walked the earth but merely a man. It is cultish and divisive (it is what broke my marriage apart).
      I encourage you to do a computer search on “Bethel Church heresy”, “Bill Johnson heresy”, “New Apostolic Reformation heresy”. By just doing those three, you will find all you need to help you make a qualified decision. This movement is taking over the evangelical Western world like a demonic cancer. Extreme caution is urged.

      • maaachiaa says:

        I dont get this, was Jesus God when He walked on earth???1JOHN 4:2
        By this you may know (perceive and recognize) the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges and confesses [the fact] that Jesus Christ (the Messiah) [actually] has become man and has come in the flesh is of God [has God for its source];

      • Jesus has and always will be God. Bill Johnson is a heretic. Do NOT believe anything he says!

      • Gabriella says:

        It is not wise to just take another persons advice about other people or a ministry that you do not even know! Do research yourself about Bethel and ask people you know who are spiritually sound and mature, not gossips and false accusers on the internet. Remember how the pharisees told Jesus He worked miracles by the devil (Beelzebub)? Jesus also said His servants would suffer or be persecuted as He was, so do not be surprised if people claim heresy about servants of the Lord because the religious leaders of Jesus time did the same to Him. Also, the best person to ask is the Holy Spirit. I’ve never been to Bethel, but the spirit and fruit that I’ve observed from them so far is good. Churches have yet to be perfect and spotless because when they do, Jesus will be coming down on a cloud, but you can certainly be able to know if they truly follow the Lord. YOU need to test the spirit to see if it is of God as the bible tells you to, as well as their fruit. This whole page is a bunch of slander and religious hatred that sows discord and I know by testing it is against the Spirit of God. Don’t be led by fear, be led by the God who is love. God bless you Cindra and let the Lord lead you always. =)

      • Daniel says:

        Gabriella you are wrong…we are told to test the spirits whether they be from God or of Satan….their leader claims Jesus isn’t God, they teach tongues, and believe suffering isn’t a part of the Christian walk…since when was anybody able to teach a gift from the Spirit? (Tongues). There is no hatred going on here, just discernment. Yiu would do well to read scripture and compare it to what this man says. Theysay opposite things so do u hold Gods word higher or this man’s?

      • brothers28 says:

        Hi toghether
        First of all pleas be kind if my english isn’t the bset.
        SG you say that Jesus was God when he came on the earth?
        Wasn’t he a human out of flesh and blood who was in a deep relationship with his father?

      • In a word, NO!

      • Oh my gosh – Bill Johnson teaches Tongues? Signs & Wonders? And you haven’t called the Bible Police??

        Every Christian church teaches these things – EXCEPT the Fundamentalist wing of our faith. The Bible is clear that the prophetic gifts, tongues, healings did NOT vanish with the Apostles. So, should I call YOU a heretic? Would you think I was being fair?

        I don’t agree with some of the practices of Bethel Church, either. But, in 33 years as a born again Christian, I have yet to find a church I am in 100% agreement with. However, you’re recklessly trying our brothers and sisters in a Court of Public Opinion. Isn’t that what was done to Jesus Christ?

        My wife and I attended a Fundamentalist church in Southern California for 8 years. Now, we are attending a church across town that is Charismatic-Pentacostal – and shares some things in common with Bethel Church. Some of our members have even made the trek north to Redding.

        In the year since we switched churches, I’ve come to know Jesus in a much more personal way. I’ve taken a quantum leap in spiritual maturity, and am witnessing a First Century church in modern times. God has poured Jesus’ love into this body of believers – love that isn’t ‘lip service’ – but, the Real Deal.

        Being in the presence of the Living God SHOULD trigger an emotional, as well as spiritual response. Nowhere is it written “Thou shalt looketh like thou sucketh on lemons”. God loves to see His children laughing and happy.

        As for your accusation that Bill Johnson claims to be a god – we are called LITTLE gods. We are called LITTLE Christs. We are God’s REPRESENTATIVES on Earth. It’s Biblical.

        Had you cited general teachings or practices you felt were not Biblical, without going on a self-appointed witch hunt – you would be doing well. It’s when you march innocent brethren into the public arena and accuse them without trial – based on YOUR church’s interpretation of scripture – that you stand on shaky ground. Once we start dividing up the body – there’s no end to it. Think about it. Peace.

    • American Photo colorizing……BRILLIANT!!! It may be the only brilliant thing said on this entire post. Thanks!

  16. bree says:

    This is the home church of brian head welch! He also has toked on baby jesus to get high with crowder! Check it out on youtube! The sad thing is welch is being welcomed into every church! Where is our discernment? They all believe this stuff!!

    • I believe our discernment was minimized when the church was deceived into wanting more of the “experience” of God than The Word of God.
      There really ARE churches that stay within The Word but, as you know, they have become very rare, indeed.


      • Patrick Dougherty says:

        This is in response to American Photo Colorizing, You say that you have been in church for thirty-three years. How can someone be sitting in church, sitting in Bible class rooms for this many years and not know the teachings of Chirst Jesus or the teachings of the Holy Spirit? Either you have not been listening to the teachings of scripture, or the churches you have been attending are watered down? Churches like Bethel and others blaspheme Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit with their teachings. Have you not heard what these type preachers teach, have you not known the scriptures that clearly proclaim Jesus the Christ, and what the scriptures teach about the Spirit of Almighty God? If they do not have this understanding of scripture, I would question everything they teach; everything. And you should too.

  17. calvin says:

    hold on a minute, i do have a problem with a few of your expose sentiments, i am neither a follower of Johnson, but i do find him correct on some of his teachings, i stand to be corrected, first off, i agree that Jesus walked on this earth in the form of man, yes he was the Son of God and still IS , but he had to be born from a virgin, so that the Jews could accept him as one of them, and secondly so that he could be acceptable to all people because generally nobody would have followed Jesus if he had just came straight from heaven, lest that would appear as another lucifer falling from heaven, so he had to make a formal entry to earth. second off, Jesus operated on earth as a man depending on the Holy Spirit and God, for you would agree with me that Jesus also did feel hungry, felt tired, slept, walked, ate, Jesus wept, (bet you know the shortest verse in the bible)felt pain(odds are you also know the crucifixion period and all the torture before it),just like everybody does, just to show you how human he was during his stay on earth, so if He did everything else as a human being, what exempts him from also performing miracles as a man depending on GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT??, Jesus did all that He did on earth as man, to show us we can also do the same, remember He said if you believe in me all these wonders you shall do, even those greater then i did. so i think Johnson was on point on some of his teachings, based on the fact that i do not know who you really are what you really do, neither do i have interest in this BILL J. but i think some of your sentiments are also a little bit twisted and biased, or maybe you have little-to-no understanding of why Jesus even came to earth in the first place and what was His mission.

    • Daniel says:

      So because some of his teaching is true it makes him ok??? Since when was truth ok if it was mixed with lies? U need to read the word and see if it is possible for God to lie. ..ifwe add or subtract from His word, He promises severe judgement

    • My brother in Christ, I fear you may be falling into the kind of deception the folks like Bill Johnson and others hope for.You may be using extra-Biblical, worldly reasoning for discernment of Biblical truths. I cannot find in my Bible anywhere that states at some point Jesus, who is God, stopped being God and needed to be born again into His Godhood. This is the bunk and heresy of Bethel Church and those like it. They work on their knowledge that we live in a post-modern world where absolute truth is questioned to the point where nearly everything “sounds” plausible. I urge you to beware. And if this topic interests you, keep up your research. It is a deep, dark hole you will go down and you will travel it for years, as I have. But you will come out the other side with a knowledge of the heresies, a discernment of the techniques of manipulation that are used and a solid stance on the Rock that is The Word Of God.

      As a reply to your comment I offer this:
      Johnson’s doctrine of the “kenosis” is a heresy shared by all Word-Faith teachers who teach that Jesus laid aside His divinity at the incarnation, received the Holy Spirit at His baptism, lost this anointing when he died on the cross and was subsequently “born again” in hell. Aside from the obvious blasphemy this teaching represents, Bible believing Christians must understand that anyone who denies the essential attributes of Jesus Christ – His divinity in this instance – and then has the audacity to teach that Jesus was a man that needed to be born again just like the created man, is not a Christian. It doesn’t matter how many spectacular signs and wonders appear to accompany a ministry, the man or woman who espouses this teaching is not a Christian and is not being used of God to lead others to Christ through saving faith.


      • calvin says:

        no offense intended, non taken i am not offended, on JESUS CULTURE band, the only songs i tended to question, are the ones titled ”How He loves” from the album ”we cry out”,kim walker sings and i quote

        ”He is jealous for me Love’s like a hurricane”, ,So heaven meets earth like a sloppy wet kiss, And my heart turns violently inside of my chest I don’t have time to maintain these regrets And if you, if you, want to encounter the love of God right now,You better just brace yourself because He’s about to just blow in this place And we’re gonna encounter the love of God right now”

        and also the song ”how we want you to come” where is GOD supposed to come from when He is omni-present?

        my problem with these lyrics is,1 kim walker takes heaven sentiments in a sexual way, the jealous of me part, heaven meets earth like a sloppy wet kiss part also puts me off, 2 kim takes GOD in a violent eye, she depicts Him as a violent being, i.e the love is like a hurricane part, and also her heart turns violently inside her chest, 4 what are these regrets she is mentioning ? then finally the biggest part that tickles me off is when she speaks and says if you want to encounter the love of God you better ”brace” yourself because He is about to ”BLOW” in this place, the problem is, in the old testament, Elijah upon the mountain, expected to hear from God from the harsh blowing wind, and all those violent sentiments, but instead God came in small still voice, that is when i questioned her lyrics but still, this is not enough for me to completely rule them out as a cult, with which i asked you to help me with facts, evidence of these claims. thank you.

      • calvin says:

        well, you are on point there, but then english is my second language, but i do believe that i used the words ”some of his teachings” in which i understand that in your response, you intentionally chose the facts for me, i never backed up his kenosis theory, but instead you chose it as an example to say that i do support bill or whatever his name is, but i do also recall myself stating that i do not pay attention to this bethel leader, my focus in on the the band, jesus culture, that is what i am more concerned about because i just happen to like their music because i find no fault in it, their lyrics are applicable to GOD in whom i worship i mean if by chance they are also a cult ,it still would be difficult to convince me otherwise, not because of ignorance, nor because i am being ”deceived” as you might assume, but because i simply take their lyrics for what they mean rather than for their intended meaning i.e if they do this for the sake of the cult,which by now i am still waiting for you to give me compelling evidence that jesus culture is indeed a cult band, as for bill, the leader, i do not have anything to with him, firstly because i am not in america, and secondly, i do have my own place of worship, rather i took time to mention him earlier on simply because ; and i repeat that ”some of his teachings” are however reasonable within the bounds of the human eyes, the worldy eyes, and the spiritual eyes, now, i do believe my bible also tells me to use my spiritual eyes and also to have he spirit of discernment ,not disqualifying the gift of revelation, which i believe i was using earlier on when i subliminaliry supported bill whatever, and note i also said, ”i stand to be corrected if i am wrong.”

  18. Hi Calvin,

    It appears you may have taken some offense to my reply.
    I apologize for any hint of being offensive. Please forgive me.
    It was never my intent.

    Jesus Culture does have wonderful sounding worship music.
    We are in agreement there.
    I question two things though. Are the lyrics Biblical or extra-Biblical?
    Secondly, if you just take a few minutes to research them (especially Kim
    Walker-Smith) you will find the same twisted theology of Bethel Church.
    Certainly, this would be expected since they are a very appealing
    front-group for the church. If you’d like to do your own research or if
    I can help point you toward some Biblical critiques of the group, please
    let me know.

  19. calvin says:

    and what is that eye doing on your profile picture if i may ask?

  20. Gabriella says:

    The bible says God is jealous for His people check Exodus 34:14. So it’s not “extra-biblical”. Also, I’m not fond of the sloppy wet kiss line, not a fan of wet kisses, but it is a simile and not literal and doesn’t mean they’re a cult. Is anyone perfect? Do you express yourself perfectly and speak without fault all the time? Are you thus a cult?The bible also connects spiritual things to intimate thing in the book of song of songs and Jesus used similes in His teachings all the time. Also, there is no implication of violence, that is clearly a matter of perception. And what she meant by God blowing in this place is like how the Holy Spirit in Acts came like a mighty rushing wind and shook the house they were in like an earthquake. Would you call that violent? You just don’t understand what you do not know and that is the manifest presence and power of God which the church is suppose to carry like they did in the new testament. It wasn’t persuasive words of wisdom Paul taught with, but with dunamis (where we get dynamite:explosive) power. Where is the power in the conservative church SG? There is none, just dead religion usually. Majority of the church especially the very conservative or traditional/old-school churches neither look nor act anything like the church of the bible. Churches like Bethel are at least getting close. Why are most churches usuall the conservative ones powerless and void to the Spirit?Well, simply because they don’t really know God nor His voice and they do not follow His Spirit, they follow the religion and rules of men. They only know a little information about God and cannot understand His word without His Spirit. 1 Cor 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Cor 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. How about the 3 fingers that point back at you when you accuse others? And where do they say Jesus was born again in hell and all that other stuff? Where do you get all this information??

    • I appreciate your comments. I am lovingly telling you that you are being deceived by a masterful con-man. You have drunk the Bethel “Kool-Aid” and you are way down the Alice In Wonderland rabbit hole. I pray you will see the light but I doubt it. Most who get caught up in this cult are in it a long time before they see it does not fulfill it’s promises.
      I wish you well. You are lost and are oblivious to it.

  21. Erin Knittle says:

    Wow, ok I have just found this and took me more than an hour to read everything. I think the key thing to do for ALL believers is not to take what you are TOLD as the gospel of the bible. You must be willing to READ the bible yourself to determine whether or not what you have been told is in line with what the LIVING WORD says. We are not allowed by God to ADD to his word. as it is perfect. Nor can we take away. God is not ALL love. God is not ALL judgement. Jesus died to save me from the consequences of my sins, to give me the Holy Spirit to help me identify those sins in my life that are most hidden, so I can repent of them. Between my flesh and this fallen world, I will sin everyday until I am dead and God brings me home fully forgiven from those sins because of the blood and resurrection of Jesus. Like the Psalmist, I will sing his praise, I will worship him in spirit and in truth. He doesn’t accept worship in just spirit or in just truth…it has to be both. He is a God of order, and has shown us the way through his Son (who experienced life as Fully Man without stopping being God, because he IS God) and through his word.

    Blessings to you all! Read,Hear and Study! Pray ask God LISTEN for his response through HIS WORD

  22. Josh T says:

    Thank you Erin, finally something completely biblical! S/G is just trying to do what the Lord is calling him to do, and I truly do believe that the Word of Faith movement is very flawed. I have done a lot of research, both biblical and online; I have no idea where in the world this is all coming from, but I have a thought on why this is happening. Please read through the whole explanation, and don’t write me off too quickly.
    Based on a lot of theological and phsycological facts about humans, aka the Bible and real-world experience, not to mention science, people are very easily deceived (Duh). First of all, what makes you think that all of a sudden, in the 21st century, we have just figured out the best way to have a relationship with the Lord? You mentioned Billy Graham; when was the last time you heard that he believes in supernatural and “crazy” powers given through the Holy Spirit, or in the belief that we can become like God? And yet he was the most influential preacher in the history of evangelism! He has been an amazing example of the supernatural work of God through His Word, not through some “pretty displays” and cool superpowers.
    I believe that our call is the Great Commission, where we are told to go preach “Christ and Him Crucified” as Paul said. Believe me, God doesn’t need our help; that is the funniest thing in the world. Us, the puny and weak humans created by Him, and He needs us to do His work? Ha! He chooses to use us as He pleases, when He pleases and the way He pleases. I am just thankful for the salvation He has chosen to give me, and I want to be whatever He wants me to be.
    Yes, the Lord works in mysterious ways, but the main issue of the Word of Faith movement is pride. They want to have power; instead of just being content to pursue the Lord and His love, they are committing the same act that Satan was accused of. Saying that you have the same power as Jesus is not only blasphemous against the scriptures, but is also the mark of a completely unsatisfied person. Also, the whole movement is based on an experience, not the Bible. What use is a pastor who does not focus on the Gospel message and our mission as Christians? Satan has a ton of people distracted from the true message of Salvation because we as humans love the pretty stuff. Yes, an amazing experience with the Lord is awesome, but this experience is used almost like a drug these days. Get your focus on the Truth, the God who is unreachable and so far above our own feeble minds. Don’t make the same mistake that Satan did and fall into the belief that you can be like Jesus/God. Take solace in the fact that you have the God of the universe at your back, but also leading your every step.
    I hope you get a grasp on what I’m trying to say, please don’t take this as hate speech, I am not intending that at all. I just want the body of Christ to be as strong as possible, and it is already built on a strong backbone of the history leading up to now. A change this big should never be easily and quickly accepted, time should be allowed to test it slowly. I am not opposed to the work of the Spirit, but the Spirit hasn’t changed in all of time and beyond that. God doesn’t change, that is important. Thanks for reading, thank you S/G for your hard work, God bless you!

    Blessings, focus on Him!

    PS: I’m not some strict and judgmental older guy that doesn’t want change, I’m 17. I get it, change is fun, but can also be dangerous. Stick to the basics and the Gospel, God uses the foolish of the world to confound the wise!

  23. Miika says:

    Dear hollysgarcia,
    Quite a read you provided here…

    I wonder have you ever really tried to see or hear what for example Johnson or Vallotton are trying to convey? I don’t mean to offend you, but this seems like a compilation of a lot of judgement that, I think, mostly rises from misunderstanding. Have you ever met the people you’re judging or even tried to ask them questions?


    • Daniel says:

      I believe the original post has lost a marriage due to the teachings…I’ve read the proof there is no point in driving to redding to witness it myself…all we can do is pray God removes the darkness and this man sees his mistakes

      • Daniel,

        Thank you for your comment.
        Sadly, the NAR, Dominionist heresies of Bethel Church, Bill Johnson, etc. have destroyed marriages, destroyed churches, divided the evangelical church, spread deception and continue to “tickle the ears” of those who are unwilling to research the absolutely UN-BIBLICAL TRASH THEY SPEW.
        Let us continue to be diligent to warn , as Paul did, against these false teachings.

      • Daniel says:

        Always, and I will continue to pray the truth would be revealed in love

  24. Christian Cannibalism needs to go away, we need to unify and lift HIS name. The dark loves it when we lose sight of the true purpose and pride conquers us and spreads confusion throughout the land. We must fight with love and use our swords (BIBLES) to combat this world. Jesus the friend of sinners… What kind of fruit are we producing? It is only going to get tougher with this post modern world philosophy that is injected into our youth from the day they our born. Pray and give thanks and do not lose focus on the real purpose.

  25. Travis M. says:

    I am truly concerned about the practices that take place at Bethel and at Jesus Culture concerts. If it seems flaky, it probably is. Too many people are searching for ‘signs and wonders’ instead of simply worshipping God for who He is. Many Christians are not studying the scriptures and are easily led astray by ‘feel good’ prophesies and concert-like worship services that take over services. Congregants begin to rely on a worship leader for prophesy instead of the local church’s pastor.

    In addition, I have witnessed our worship leader attempt to imitate Jesus Culture’s worship leaders in their actions, sayings, and endless prophesies at the end of every worship set. Instead of being authentic in the way God had gifted her, she simply copies their actions and sayings even to the point of trying to convince the congregation that a ‘cool breeze’ is flowing.

    My final point is that this devotion to Bethel and Jesus Culture by some worship leaders is very cult-like in that when you question the worship leader, they become extremely defensive and accuse you of trying to stop the flow of the Holy Spirit. These local worship leaders become manipulative and turn church members against one another in an attempt to seem more spiritually mature than what they really are. I’ve even seen our local worship leader completely dismiss our pastor when he makes his opinions known.

    I fell in love with Jesus Culture’s music and we still play a few of their songs in our worship service, but I have questioned the teachings and influence that they have had over the past couple of years and have seen first-hand the negative impact it has on my local church.

  26. drivenbyjc says:

    Never throw your hands up and say it’s Holy, always Be Still and Chill, ask God for wisdom if you are lacking.

    • Asking God for wisdom is a wonderful thing! We have the “sufficient” knowledge, The Holy Scriptures, which He has given us through His Spirit, to guide us to all Truth.
      Thank you for your comment!

      • Tim says:

        Hi SG,

        I completely get where you are coming from, as we are told to be discerning and to watch for false witnesses, but I think you are letting dodgy theology and false testimony cloud your judgement here. I’d like to pick up on a few points that have been made.
        1) Nobody at Bethel has ever said, or will ever say, that Jesus isn’t God. When they said that Jesus did all his miracles as man, they didn’t say he wasn’t God as well, and I would argue that accusing them of that is false testimony against your neighbour. Also, if Jesus performed His miracles as God, how did the disciples do the same or “greater things” (as Jesus Himself said they would) when they most certainly weren’t God? Even if you don’t believe in the gifts of the Spirit today (which is where the dodgy theology comes in by the way, there is nothing in the Bible supporting cessationism), you can’t deny that the disciples (and others) performed miracles as well in the New Testament.

        2) The whole graves things – Kris Vallaton’s commented on this, it was not encouraged or endorsed, people from the BSSM just went and did it. Every movement in world history has its quacks, why should we judge the whole movement on the actions of its extremists?

        3) Just because Bill Johnson and others at Bethel have helped and spent time with people like Todd Bentley, doesn’t mean they agree with him (again, Kris has mentioned this as well, I’ll post the link if you want to read the article). Jesus spent time with and helped tax collectors and prostitutes, does that make Him a tax collector or a prostitute?

        4) Feathers and gold dust are weird, seemingly unnecessary things, but so are turning water into wine, cursing a fig tree, and spitting on someone’s eyes to heal them. Sound familiar? If Jesus can do weird things, how much more so can His Father, the One who sent His Spirit as tongues of fire to Jesus’ disciples? We cannot explain or understand it, but why should we be able to explain or understand what could be an act of God? I’m not saying it IS definitely an act of God, I’m just saying there’s no reason for discounting it because it’s weird.

        I would love for you to reason and challenge me, but please don’t fob me off with a “you’ve fallen for their manipulations” line like you have previously. I am a rational, thinking believer in Jesus Christ, and I do not follow Bethel Church blindly. I follow my Saviour, and I believe they do too.

        Looking forward to hearing from you,

      • Tim,
        I know you are sincere concerning your defense of Bethel. I, unfortunately, cannot continue this discussion. You have been very kind in your writing and I appreciate that – thank you. We are at that point, I believe, where we must disagree without being disagreeable. Neither your positions nor mine are going to change.
        May The Lord Bless You,

  27. Eli says:

    Hello SG,
    I just felt I should comment about how you believe Bill Johnson was wrong in stating that Jesus had no power to do the miracles he did on his own. This does not go against scripture and is actually supported by it. Not only in John 5:19, but also in Acts 10:38 that says, “And no doubt you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the Devil, for God was with him.” Your Isaiah 66:2 scripture does not go against this as Jesus wasn’t even born yet and this is the Lord that has declared it, not Jesus. The reason that Jesus had to be anointed by God was because he was role model for how the rest of us are supposed to be as Christians. He came into this Earth as a sinless man and so, had no power to perform these miracles on his own. We are to be empowered by the Holy Spirit just as Jesus had been. Do I think Jesus and God are 2 different beings? No. I believe in the Holy Trinity and that we serve only one God. But Jesus was sent to be an example to us as well as to die for our sins so the veil could be torn and that those that are born-again can have everlasting life. This isn’t where it stops though! Just as God had anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power, He also anoints born-again believers when they are baptized in the Holy Spirit! The power to “heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons.” (Matt. 10:8) is for all those that believe, not just the 11 disciples. It even says this in John 14:12, “”I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father.” And also another good verse to look at is Acts 11:16-17, “Then I thought of the Lord’s words when he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ And since God gave these Gentiles the same gift he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to stand in God’s way?” Thank you for taking the time to read this and I pray you understand. God bless you!

  28. jmloy says:

    Hey! Thanks for posting all this about Bill Johnson and others. I read what was here then read in context what was said and now I love Jesus in Bill Johnson and others. I’m now convinced he’s a man of God and love reading his stuff. Of course I don’t agree with everything but I respectfully disagree w cessationist teachers and still believe they are of God and still saved. Thx for turning me to the right direction!

    • You are “…convinced he’s a man of God…”.
      By what standard are you convinced? He has self-anointed himself an “apostle”, gives false prophesy, teaches extra-biblically and states Jesus was not God while he walked the earth.
      So…by what standard do you believe Bill Johnson is “…a man of God…”?

  29. Jeff says:

    I enjoy the music, but the new age feel is in line with a cult and false teachings then any teachings of God. Religion attracts those who are weak minded and easily lead, it also serves as a purpose to keep everybody in line and coughing up percentages of their pay checks (think Catholics and Mormons). Bethel isn’t any different. I’ve been a Christian my entire life, I’m 50 now and can spot a fraud as soon as I start researching. I don’t get surprised to see this kind of behavior. Anything to sell their music on itunes. Keep those pretty young girls coming into your “church”, you need new faces and vouched if you wasn’t to keep your money train rolling down the tracks. God must be so disappointed in mankind

  30. mywordlikefire says:

    Reblogged this on My Word Like Fire and commented:
    If you are unclear about Bill Johnson and Bethel Redding, would you consider this information?

  31. Louise says:

    Bill Johnson is evil. End of story.

  32. joseph says:

    Jesus was radical for His day, most left when He mentioned communion. these guys are radical because that is how God rolls. the question is what is their focus? their focus is that people would come to know who they are in Christ, for us to know our identities and what God has purchased for us through Christ. to come into an imitate and personal relationship with Father God and to see His kingdom here on earth. remember that prayer that everyone loves to pray, how it says your kingdom come, well that is not mentioned for the sake of it. we are to pray to God to see His kingdom established here on earth. the bible is not ‘Gods Word’, but merely a little piece of it. Gods word is truth, Gods word is God. God is soooooooo much bigger than the bible. it is when we get into a deep and personal relationship with Father God, that we will become comfortable in what He shows us and the direction He is taking us. Jesus is the perfect model on the ‘normal’ christian life. it should be in total surrender, be in total love, total trust in the Father and totally radical. that is what normal looks like. i understand people want to be cautious of being lead astray and fair enough. but please i urge you, cry out to God for truth, straight from Him. Ask for bread and He will not give you a stone. God is moving in a big way and i only hope you will not miss out on what He is doing, because it’s awesome. i myself am only starting to begin to understand what God is up to (and even then only a small amount), God is looking to rock this world with His love and power and bring a manifestation of what was achieved on the cross. you can sit inside your comfy bubble and still love God and be saved, or you can actually make a huge difference to the world around you. it will not be easy, it will not be comfortable but it will be awesome! God is looking for an army to rise up in His name, in His love and His power, but first people have to know who they are in Him. i ask that the spirit of revelation and truth and come to all who reads this and Lord God you would show them the truth. Lord Bless their hearts for wanting to do right by you, but Lord i ask that you would pull back the veil and open their eyes to how big and amazing you are. Lord that you would show them who they are to you and in you. Lord that they would know beyond a doubt that it is you who speaks. Lord reveal their destiny and allow it to be seared on their hearts, that a burning fire would rise within like they have never known before. please Lord God touch them and show them what is ok in your sights and what is not. in Jesus name i thank You Amen

    • This is very well stated. Sadly though, it is worded in such a way that sounds eerily like a combination of Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton, Mike Bickle, and the rest of the heretical “apostles” of the NAR.
      Anyone who is saved and read God’s Words from His Scriptures already knows who they are in Christ. You and all the other aforementioned heretics are so certain that what God has clearly stated as “sufficient” is, somehow, insufficient. Sadly, sir, you are incorrect.
      Thank you, however, for taking the time to contribute. I’m sure the readers of this blog will gain much reinforcement from your words.

      • joseph says:

        the problem is that many do not know, they know in their head but not their heart. God calls us to know His love through experiential knowledge. He does not want us to just know it in our thinking, but in our inner man by experiencing His love for us. We as the Church are meant to look like Jesus, we are meant to represent who He is and was when He walked the earth. the problem is that very few do and the reason is because they do not truly understand who they really are in Christ. there is reading it in the Bible and there is understanding it deep within our hearts, which only comes from God. there has been so much hatred towards people in the Church and it is because many do not know (yada=experiential knowledge) Gods love. so many people when they think of Christians and the Church have a negative response, that is not ok! it a response that has been born out of a people that say that represent Christ, but in their actions they do not. i was saved but had no idea who i was because the general Church thinking told me i was a sinner and could never be like Christ. that my completion of becoming perfect happened when i died because i could never achieve it while walking the earth. now think about that one, because that makes death the final piece in being saved, which is not right. we have already been made perfect, though it can take some time to see that manifest itself in our lives, we are already complete and made whole. yes i make mistakes as i work out my true nature in my life, which is Christs nature. yes i have to put my hand up to God and say i screwed up there, i am sorry. however i do not need to look at myself as someone who will always be imperfect while i walk the earth, i do not have to wait on death to ‘get me out of here’. people flocked to Jesus to see Him speak, people run away from Christians today, that is a problem that must be addressed. love is the greatest of all things, but how can we give it when we tend not to receive it? how can we truly show love when in our hearts we do not know what it is? we are Kings and Priests of the most high God, many know the scripture but do not live a life that suggests they really know it. God is bringing a shift, He is working towards that moment when Creation will see the manifestation of the Sons of God. Creation is groaning for it, longing for it, but where are the sons of God that walked just as Jesus, the perfect example of a Son of God, thee son of God. we are called to be so dead to ourselves that none of out fallen nature remains manifest and only Gods nature manifests. where is this? where do you see this in the church? there is drama and greed and strife and immorality and so many things that are not the nature of God, why? why do these things exist within the church? they exist because we truly do not know who we are. how is it that we say we know we are Kings and Priests of the most High God, who have been given all authority through Christ to stomp on the enemy and his work, who have been made the head and not the tail, yet we do not live like it?

    • beau says:

      Joesph. you are mistaken. you write the following,
      we are to pray to God to see His kingdom established here on earth. the bible is not ‘Gods Word’, but merely a little piece of it. Gods word is truth, Gods word is God. God is soooooooo much bigger than the bible

      the Bible is inerrant and complete. infact Jesus is the Word become Flesh.
      Jesus is the Fullfilment OF the entire BIBLE from genesis to revelation.
      any teaching or revelation that is not supported 100% by the Bible is a false teaching.
      anyone who adds to or removes ANY part of the Bible is a false teacher.
      you may think you have some special revelation from God and you may have, however the issue you need to keep in mind is that ANYTHING that is not in the Bible is of the satan.
      i am tempted to call you out right here and now. however i wont for one reason only.
      there is a chance you are not the author of your beliefs and that you have been decieved.
      if infact you are a willing agent of satan then turn from him now and throw yourself at Jesus Christ’s feet.
      if you are a spirit of satan masquerading as an angel of light then know you have lost.
      Jesus Christ’s Kingdom will convict you of your sin against God.
      if you are only a man who is the victim of false teachings then pray for freedom.
      if your special revelation fills you with pride in your heart then pray for mercy because the only purpose of any revelation is to Glorify God and not yourself.

      if you will allow me i will pray to Jesus Christ for you.
      if not thats fine aswell
      peace to you brother

      • beau says:

        you also write the following,
        God is looking to rock this world with His love and power and bring a manifestation of what was achieved on the cross.
        the Cross was the manifestation, the Bible records its and the Bible is the ONLY God inspired manifestation.
        it is a wicked people who seek signs.

        in earthly terms the manifestation of the Cross is taking away of sin and transforming people into God loving righteous people which inturns allow’s good works on behalf of the sick, poor and disadvantaged.

        Gods people are called to be servants and not to be served.
        does your ‘preacher’ server or does he expect to be served?

  33. concerned says:

    Bill Johnson looks evil. Just look at his picture.

    • Radiant says:

      That is a ridiculous statement. What factual evidence do you have that He is evil, and be cvareful not to judge, for with the measure you judge, you will be judged

      • Radiant,
        When you stated my statement was ridiculous, you, yourself, had to have used “judgement” to have come to that conclusion. Yet you state I am not allowed to use “judgement”. Don’t you find that somewhat hypocritical?

        Also, I do not know to which statement you are referring. Would you be kind enough to expound on that a bit.

        Thank you,

      • beau says:

        the evidence is clear. test the spirits and see what fruits they produce,
        if a preacher seeks glory for himself then he is a false teacher, if a teacher adds to or removes any part of the bible then he is a false teacher.
        IF a preacher claims ANY special revelation that is not 100% based of Biblical teachings then he is a false teacher.
        plain and simple.

  34. Oh, my!!
    Joseph, there are so many things in your post that are extra-Biblical.
    You’ve been indoctrinated into a false, heretical cult with the acronym NAR.
    They teach lies, Joseph. They teach God is “doing a new thing”. That would mean when God says in His Scriptures that it is sufficient, He must be lying. Can God lie? Not if He is Holy.
    Jesus says, “If you love me, you will obey my commands.”
    He does not say, “If you love me, you will experience something new, amazing, Holy Spirit power or any temporal benefit.”
    I’m sorry, Joseph. You are following cult leaders and not Christ.

  35. joseph says:

    could you please point out what is extra-Biblical.

  36. Well, Joseph, you’re still in the discourse so that may mean there is a desire for Truth in you. I’m happy for you.
    My encouragement would be to take each of the names, organizations and events in the first two paragraphs of this article by Holly Garcia and “Google” each of them with the word “heresy” after it (i.e. “Bill Johnson heresy”). Become well-schooled in the enormity of writing attempting to warn the flock against these wolves and thief manipulations. That alone could take months.
    I will not attempt to distill all these warnings in a blog reply.
    Let me hear your thoughts about what you discover. I’ll be most interested.

  37. joseph says:

    thank you for your advice but i am happy where i am. my main goal right now is to focus on becoming closer to my Father in Heaven and developing a deep and intimate relationship with Him. i will not spend my time researching this, as i have my Father to protect me. if i ask Him for more of what is Him, He will not give me something that will lead astray, He will guide and protect my steps. Jesus came to reconcile us to God so that we may have relationship with Him again, not to spend our time warning others. we should be encouraging others to go deeper with God and let God protect them from what is not Him. i do not follow cult leaders, i follow Christ because He is the only one worth following. God knows my heart and knows that i only want what is of truth, and if something is not of Him i trust He will tell me. God is opening my eyes to how big and amazing He is, He will not be allowed to be put into a box. my heart is ever growing in His love and His love is all i need and all that i desire, i want my heart to break over what breaks His. it is my hope that you do not spend too much of your life trying to warn others and spend more time enjoying your Father in Heaven and everything He has for you. may God Bless you with truth, revelation and peace :)

    • “…it is my hope that you do not spend too much of your life trying to warn others…”
      I wonder, Joseph, if you would tell Paul, the true Apostles, and the Bereans this same thing. They, too, were led by The Spirit to Truth, which we know today as The Scriptures, to warn others about false teaching.
      Thanks for writing, Joseph.

  38. joseph says:

    yes but understand that was written at the start of Christ building His Church. Yes i believe if you know in your heart and you see someone young in Christ being deceived then warn them, but i do not believe in dedicating your life to it. Christ is the perfect model and He did not dedicate His life to revealing false teachers, but to reconciliation of man to God. as God brings more revelation to who He is and the move He is making, we should not need others to watch out for us as they did back in the early Church when everything was so new. We should be so focused on getting people into intimate relationship with God (the whole reason for Jesus dying on the cross) that we should only have to tell them to be careful of false teachers, but not point them all out. understand i am not judging you in this, but my heart desires to see you go deeper with God, deeper into the understanding of who He is, deeper into His love, deeper into His power. our greatest want should be getting to know God, nothing more and nothing less. first we seek the Kingdom of Heaven, first we seeks God and who He is, then everything else will fall into place. i know how sometimes we become too passionate about a certain area and we spend more time in that than we do just spending time with the Father and getting to know Him. just know that God has so much more for you. may God Bless you with more of Him :)

  39. mitzie clarke says:

    bill johnson is a man of God anointed and appointed for this season. He cannot be compared with leaders from the seventies.spiritual knowledge and experince has increased significantly since then.amen

    • Mitzi,
      Can you please point those who frequent this site with Biblical quotes that prove Bill Johnson “…is a man of God anointed and appointed for this season”?
      Without that testing, I’m afraid many will be in disagreement with you.
      Thank you so much for contributing your thoughts.

  40. Boris says:

    I am sorry for you. You are just wrong. You don’t know Jesus. You only know verses and that is not enough. You are hidden behind the law. Jesus has more for you.

    • I’m sorry, Boris. I’m confused. To what are you referring?

      • Blandine says:

        God bless you S/G.
        I’ve been reading everything, including all comments. Most of them broke my heart, as it is painful to see so many brethren being so deceived….
        You surely have done a great job defending the Truth, and that is why you faced so many attacks!
        I am blessed to have many beautiful Christian friends all around the world, that all go for sound doctrine and have great discernment. So I have known for some time the heresy behind all these demonic movements. It is straight from the pit of hell !
        What I just do not get is this : how many warnings do we have in the bible regarding false preachers and doctrines? Countless !!! And what about the warnings from Jesus Himself, recorded in Mathew 24:24? …..They will seek to deceive even the elect !!!
        Yet, people fall into the trap. They follow a different Jesus. They do not know, nor love the Truth….
        I too have friends who have fallen for this cult. Some blocked me for warning them….
        One came out of it but is broken into pieces and needs restoration.
        In any case….I wouldn’t like to be in these guy’s shoes on judgement day !!!
        Keep preaching the truth brother. God is siding you!

      • Thank you so much for your encouragement.
        Our command to “preach the Word” will never end in this life. Only God gives “ears to hear and eyes to see”. Our task is to preach Truth so His elect will hear it and come to a saving acceptance of the faith they have already received as a gift through God’s grace.
        Keep up the good fight, my brother, knowing in this life you are glorifying God by your obedience to Him. S/G

  41. beau says:

    m8 you cannot win this arguement.
    dont cast your pearls before swine.
    this whole page is such a example of spiritual warfare.
    brother take heart, i will pray for you and please continue to shine light on satan’s lies.
    thankyou for taking the tough stand.

  42. Fernando Maldonado says:

    This is of great help I would love to have all this in Spanish if you have it if not I would love to translate this information. Our Latino churches are attaching so much to all of the mysticism and are bringing it in into the bride of Christ, there’s just not sound theology that can be taught. I’m looking to make a change in that!

  43. Albert says:

    I have a question then. Are all the artists supportive of everything that is going on in the Bethel Ministry or do they not know or do they not care? I have many favorite artists who lead at Bethel right now. Another question that I want to bring up is, should all churches stop singing praise songs by Bethel?

    • Good questions, Albert.

      The whole notion of deception is that no one being deceived will know it’s happening. Whether the performers are the deceivers or the deceived really doesn’t matter. What does matter, is they are a part of an heretical church that preaches heretical doctrine.

      In your question about “should all churches stop singing praise songs by Bethel?, it would depend on the doctrinally correct content of the lyrics and the purpose for presenting that particular song. I’m sure some of Bethel’s songs are quite acceptable as worship music and doctrinally sound. So, no, all music coming from Bethel may not be unacceptable.

      Thank you, Albert.

      • David S. says:

        I consider Bethel’s music a gateway drug into their heretical teaching and should be avoided at all cost. Would we allow worship music to our God be written by a Mormon or a modalist…ect? Even if there was nothing in the song that was heretical, we have to consider the source as well as it may seem to congregants that we validate the false teachings otherwise. And besides all that… our God deserves better!

  44. nrobinson838 says:

    Your post makes me sick and I quite literally might puke. Your Pharisee spirit makes Gods face cringe and yes he loves you but your religious spirit is the most disgusting stentch in Gods nostrils. Dude, you have no idea what you speak of and someday you’ll have to answer to God about what your speaking about these powerful men of God. Have a good night

  45. Hotzpacho says:

    First let’s get a few things straight:

    1. Everyone who goes around using the names God, Lord, and Jesus don’t have the first clue as to what or who they are talking about. If you can’t accept that then you won’t accept anything else I’m about to say.

    2. Those names and terms are pagan terms that were introduced during the days when Israel went into exile in Babylon and then during the dominance of Alexander and finally Rome. Those terms perverted the later translations of the OT and NT into Greek. Anyone who cares to refute this be prepared to receive documented facts from my end. The letter J is only 4-600 years old so it’s impossible that the Messiah’s name is Jesus.

    3. The real names according to the Paleo Hebrew inscriptions that have been discovered (which are over a thousand years prior to Israel’s exile state the true name of the Almighty is Yahuah (pronounced Yahoo-ah and transliterated with the proper sound).

    4. The name Jesus has come to us in this manner. The Hebrew name given at birth to the Messiah was [vwhy(transliterated YHUShA). The reason we know this is that the Messiah’s name as given in the Greek New Testament is the same name as Joshua son of Nun, as indicated by the usage of this same Greek name in Hebrews 4:8. The name for Joshua, when rendered into the Septuagint Greek text is VIhsou/j, the same name in the Greek New Testament which is rendered Jesus by our English Bibles. So what happened was this: YHUShA, the given Hebrew name of Joshua and of the Messiah was rendered VIhsou/j (I-ay-sous) in the Greek text, because the closest Greek name to the Hebrew YHUShA was I-ay-sous. From the Greek VIhsou/j the English Bible translators took the first Greek letter “I” and rendered it “J” (which was actually a normal thing to do in that day). The “ay” sound got shortened to an “e” sound. And the “sous” ending was shortened to “sus”. Putting it together, the Hebrew “Yahusha” became in Greek “I-ay-sous” and then into English as “Jesus”.

    The name Jesus came to us innocently enough. But there is a huge problem with this name. The root, derivation and meaning of the name Jesus should be startling – even distressing – to those who profess a genuine and sincere faith in the Master. The angel told his mother Miriam that the name given to the baby was to be because he would “save his people from their sins” (see Matthew 1:21). This is what the Hebrew name [vwhy means – “Yahu saves.” But the name Jesus certainly does not have this same meaning.

    To ascertain the origin and meaning of the name Jesus, we need first to take a glance at the form of the name. There are several other names which share a resemblance to the form (spelling) of this name. Dionysus and Bacchus are well known pagan Greek deities which share the ending of the name Jesus. This is our first clue. Secondly, the Greek name used in the New Testament manuscripts is transliterated “I-ay-sous” or “yah-sous.” This “sous” ending on the Greek name attributed to the Messiah is identical in sound to Dionysous, who is also known in ancient literature as the “sin-bearing son of Zeus.” The name Dionysous is fashioned after his father’s name Zeus, the Greek super god and father of the pantheon. For this reason, many language experts believe that the name Jesus actually originated from a form of the name of the pagan Greek god Zeus, and not from the Hebrew name referred to in Scripture.

    The “Iay” which forms the first part of the Greek Iaysous is possibly a reference to another Greek deity Iay – the goddess of healing. The Greek name Iaysous, then, is probably a combination of the names of these two Greek gods, Iay and Zeus. This could roughly be translated as “Zeus is healer.” (Others suggest a different source word for “Iay” which would render the meaning of this name as “hail, Zeus” or “praise Zeus.”)

    vwhy (Yahusha) is the Messiah’s Hebrew language name – the name that was given him at birth by his Hebrew speaking parents – the name that was given for him to his mother by the angel. The name Yahusha is the Hebrew name of the Old Testament man known as “Joshua.” This name means, “Yahu saves” or “Yahu helps.”

    Now that we have that out of the way, i will refer to the Almighty and the Messiah according to their real name, as i suggest other people do the same. How do you expect to have a relationship with someone if you get cut off at the knees from the beginning because you don’t even know their names? Creator/Almighty/Father = Yahuah & The Messiah/Savior/son of Yahuah = Yahusha, Yahuah & Yahusha.

    Secondly, I do believe that Bethel church is a scam in many ways, but i don’t believe the desires and hopes of the people attending the church are malicious. There is no denying that a supernatural creator works in supernatural ways and there are thousands of references in the old testament alone of supernatural manifestations, interactions, healings, wealth transfers, prophecy, miracles, etc and that’s just the OT. The problem is the people of today, just like during the days of Samuel have chose to want kings to lead them. When i say kings, it’s a euphemism for someone who provides you with something; a provision of sorts. Does your employer provide you money? Does your doctor provide you healing? Does tylenol fix a headache, water cure dehydration, government protect you, your spouse or friend provide you emotional support and self value? When someone provides a need for you, by default, you don’t need a second person to provide that same need because it has already been provided for by the first person. You can’t serve two masters; remember this scripture? It refers to not having two providers. The children of Israel forsaked Yahuah because they wanted to be like the other nations of the world who had kings. Because they did this they were warned what they would lose in the process. They gave up their children to wars, food, money, health, possessions, etc. This is the cost of choosing yourself or another person to be your provider. you have to give up something. If you choose Yahuah to be your provider you don’t lose anything since an omnipotent being such as Yahuah is complete, thus never lacking, thus never needing, thus never requiring something from his creation.

    Today people have rejected the idea of being provided for by Yahuah so they can fit in with the rest of the world. They’ve pushed him out of the family, out of the meeting places, out of jobs, out of relationships, out of protection, out of laws, out of moral codes, out of government, out of anything. They’ve regulated him to Sunday and that in itself is the wrong day. Sunday was the day Constantine chose to worship the sun God, but appeased “Christians” (another wrong term, correct term is Nazarenes) due to needing their support to reestablish rome as a unified nation once again. Because people have rejected Yahuah today, just like the Israelites did in days past, they don’t see manifestations of supernatural divinity. People don’t want it so they reject the notion of it to begin with.

    Lastly, having supernatural authority to cure illness, raise the dead, heal the sick, remove evil entities, open the eyes of people to the love Yahusha has for them, favor with people, protection from loss, financial prosperity without self promoting hard work, complete social, physical, financial, emotional, and mental prosperity (Shalom) are promises and things Yahusha achieved by taking the punishment of the cross for the people today. Sadly, the people of today, don’t want his provision, don’t understand his provision, misunderstand words and their meanings, misunderstand doctrines, don’t know Yahusha and Yahuah on a personal level, live in fear, reject grace and love, desire evil outcomes, etc etc etc, and they wonder why they’re worse off post cross than the people pre cross.

    if anyone wants to know more feel free to email me

  46. Chase Ryan says:

    One does not need to find every doctrine of a pastor correct, but embrace the ones they do find helpful. Some things he says and does are off kilter and others a extremely theologically sound. I notice you only included the bad ones. Please pray for him and I’ll pray for both of you. These warnings are helpful but please include the good and the bad for a full perspective, not just biased judgements.

    ” Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.”

    • Hi Chase,

      Thank you for you kind and grace-filled response. Sadly, I must disagree with your notion that people can sift wheat from chaff in a pastors words, books, articles and life.

      Bethel Church is one that mixes a little “truth” with their lies. Please read God’s Words as given through Peter and Paul below. God is not trifling by even a hint in allowing fallen man to attempt to discern when a speaker, who states he comes in the Name of The Lord, is delivering Truth as found in Scripture or is a false teacher.



      2 Peter 2:

      2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

      4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a [a]preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly livesthereafter; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from [b]temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who [c]indulge the flesh in itscorrupt desires and despise authority.

      Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic [d]majesties, 11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in [e]the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, 13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their [f]deceptions, as they carouse with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

      17 These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the [g]black darkness has been reserved. 18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 [h]It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

      Below is a survey of Paul’s comments to Timothy and Titus:

      “…stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work–which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but htey do not know what they are talking about our what they so confidently affirm.” (1 Tim. 1:3-7)

      “Some have rejected these [faith and good conscience] and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymanaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme” (1 Tim. 1:19b-20).

      Deacons “must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience” (1 Tim. 3:9).

      “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron” (1 Tim. 4:1-2).

      “Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch you life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers” (1 Tim. 4:15-16).

      “If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain” (1 Tim. 6:3-5).

      “Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (1 Tim. 6:10b).

      “What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entruted to you–guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us” (2 Tim. 1:13-14).

      “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some” (2 Tim. 2:16-18).

      “Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will” (2 Tim. 2:23-26).

      “They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres oppose the truth–men of depraved minds, who, as fas as the faith is concerned, are rejected” (2 Tim. 3:1-8).

      “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it…” (2 Tim. 3:12-14).

      “Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep you head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:2-5).

      Elders “must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of teh circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach–and that for the sake of dishonest gain” (Titus 1:11).

      “Rebuke them sharply, so that they may be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth” (Titus 1:13-14).

      “You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine” (Titus 2:1a).

      Is the Apostle Paul a lover of controversy? Does he go out of his way to find a heresy under every rock?

      Would he find a comfortable home in our assemblies? Would our “tone” and “emphasis” in the ministry match the apostle’s? Or, would Paul likely be cast off as “unteachable,” “hard-hearted,” and unkind?

      How much attention should the pastor give to false teaching? How “worked up” ought we to be about error?

      Perhaps a fresh appreciation of Paul’s instructions in the pastorals would be helpful in our day of polite-above-all attitudes. Though Paul warns the pastor not to be quarrelsome, in the same breath he says refute error. And it’s clear from the various kinds of effects false teaching has on the people of God that failure to refuse error and teach sound doctrine is simply dereliction of pastoral duty. It’s cruel neglect. No pastor should find solace in appeals to charity or tolerance or grace when facing false teaching. Be charitable, tolerant, and gracious–but reject the error! We have it on divine authority that this is the pastor’s duty.

  47. Patrick Dougherty says:

    I have been a believer for nearly thirty-six years and I have noticed over the years that it is much easier in America for church goers to follow a man than for them to read the scriptures themselves and see if what that man is teaching is true or false. If preachers and teachers do not have an understanding about who Jesus is, how in the world can they have an understanding about anything else in scripture? When we read the scriptures it speaks about the character of God in Christ Jesus. The very scriptures reveal Christ Jesus to us. And when Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit, He makes it very clear that when the Spirit comes into the world, “He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, WHAT I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU” (John 14:26). And Jesus also said that the Spirit will do only one thing, “He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak of Himself; but will glorify Me” (John 16:13,14). Much of what’s going on in these type churches bring no glory to Christ Jesus at all, but glorifies the flesh. Most of the church goers today think that if one loves God and can speak intellectually from the scriptures that makes them a qualified preacher. The scriptures also makes it clear that “the demons also believe and tremble” (James 2:19). Whenever one tries to correct or poiint out errors to warn believers, those that are unaware of their own blindness start crying foul; “You guys aren’t displaing love.” How can one say that they are all about LOVE and not warn those who are believing a lie? If one was standing on the street and they saw a house across the street on fire, and noticed that the occupants inside the home were unaware of their house on fire. Would you not run and scream at the occupants to get out because their house is on fire, or would you hope and pray that they’ll find out before its too late? Which of these two actions would display true LOVE and CONCERN toward these people? To be able to take time and warn others of deception takes more LOVE than one might think. And we can’t warn others if we too are unaware of what the scriptures teach. “For the blind will lead the blind and they both will fall into the ditch” (Matt. 15:14). The teachings of this pastor in Redding about who Jesus is are completely in error, and if one does not have an understanding of who Jesus is, they don’t have anything right. Any non-believing intellectual can quote and speak about scripture, but it takes a spiritual man and woman of God to properly expound them. These so-called believers of Christ who don’t want to warn others, because it will cause strife, either don’t know what LOVE is or they too are not aware of the deception that is being preached.

    • Very Well Stated!
      Thank You!

    • Blandine says:

      Thank you Patrick, that was indeed very well stated !
      All the people that I know, who are trapped in this cult, have one thing in common : they do not study the Word for themselves!
      And when you try to warn them out of love (because true love warns..) they will invariably react with one of the most twisted scripture : do not judge! And eventually call you a “Pharisee”….
      Ignorance of scriptures is destroying the church. People are destroyed for lack of knowledge….
      Wake up church ! Not every spirit is God’s Spirit !!!

  48. don says:

    love you all and god has blessed you

  49. don says:

    i believe that no church has got it down perfect no minister no person alive today that said i think it would be healthy that anyone coming down on a ministry or teaching or person that claims the name of christ first be honest about there churchs problems mistakes etc… they are there be sure of that and admit the truth and discern for yourself because there is none that understands perfectly be responsible for yourself because any teacher if you believe everything they say you conform to there mistakes too so just the best you can trust in the lord not yourself or other ppl and remember we stand by faith in gods amazing grace without that we all fall down and no good deed or miracle will stop that i hope the best for us all and love you all dearly remembering the best of you is christ and everything else passes away but we beloved brothers and sisters are good in him only and someday we will all together as family all our disagreements settled the only reason you need to accept mr bill at least as a christian brother and therefore a child of god and a man of god and all things of god is that hes a believer same as us and i believe he loves the lord that good for me so before you despise the man or call him evil at least take a second to remember the god we love lives in him and us so lets all be respectful with property bought with the blood of christ

  50. Tsp. says:


    Thank you for this article and your diligence to the Word. Sola Scriptoria. God revealing Himself through the Word, by the Spirit, is beyond any sensation or feeling we could ever receive. It is in that place which we experience and get to know Him. People who have significantly changed the face of this world for Jesus throughout history, including Gregory Thaumaturgus, Augustine, and Martin Luther himself, all held fast to God through the His Word “which is able to save our souls” and “through patience and comfort…might give hope”. So much more I could say, but just wanted to say thanks for your hard work and dedication to the Truth.
    In the trenches with you brother.

    Your sis in Christ,

    References: James 1:21, Romans 15:4

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