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  1. Jeff says:

    Bethel Church in Redding, CA is FULL of heretical teaching. But it’s important for you to realize that not all false teaching is heresy. Heresy, at it’s simplest definition takes away from the character and nature of Christ or goes against the apostles doctrine. I’m in a battle against Bethel teachings in my own church right now so please understand that I am with you and for you. In this fight, we must be sure to clearly and accurately define our terms. The reason for this reply is because of this post:

    https://shepherdguardian.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/heresy-alert-bethel-church-bill-johnson-kris-vallotton-new-apostolic-reformation-word-of-faith-falsely-teach-christians-do-not-sin/

    While I don’t fully agree with this Bethel teaching, there is a small amount of truth to it. Nowhere in the New Testament are born again, spirit filled believers called sinners, we’re actually called saints. The difference is that we are saints that can and will sin. The fact that we sin does not make us “sinners”, it makes us saints that are still clothed in flesh, therefore we sin. Even if you disagree with my statements or their teaching, it doesn’t make it heresy, nor does it fit the definition of heresy.

    God Bless you.

    • Hi Jeff,

      Thank you for your kind comment.
      Please take a few minutes and look at some of my other postings on similar Word Of Faith “I-Do-Not-Sin” topics. Joyce Meyer’s is pretty good, too.

      There was a time when we would not have to play the post-modern wordgames in which the church is now involved. Tolerance, political correctness, universalism, etc. forbid us to call something what it really is. An illegal alien is now an undocumented immigrant. A terrorist attack is workplace violence…and so on.

      Spurgeon called believers sinners.
      Pink called believers sinners.
      I’m sure you can find innumerable examples all the way back to the early church fathers where believers were called sinners.

      You see, we’re being deceived into believing that it is now, in our diverse-post-modern-politically-correct-tolerance-above-all world, we cannot name something what it has been named for thousands of years.

      Yes, believers are saints.
      And yes, believers who sin are also sinning sinners in need of confession and repentance.

      God Bless You, Brother

      • Hugh McCann says:

        Spurgeon & Pink, wonderful though they were, were no more inspired than any other post-apostolic preacher.

        The inpsired apostle Paul, however, called himself the chief (not, “ex-chief”) of sinners. And he made much of his own ongoing sinfulness in Romans 7.

        For the record, Bill Johnson & his ill-named “Bethel” are deadly poisonous – nothing good there.

        Thank you.

  2. O Day says:

    I have read criticism online of SOZO but have not found anything on Ancient Paths. I had the unfortunate experience of both and can say that they are very similar in their beliefs and tactics. Would be interested in someone writing about this other program also.

  3. What I do not understand. Why waste all your energy pointing out what you think is false doctrine? Why not instead go about doing the Good that Jesus wants us to do. Give room for God’s wrath. All I keep thinking if it is not of God then it will die. If it is of God then it will Grow. I think as Brother’s and Sister’s in Christ we all are trying to figure out the truths. Some get it wrong and some get it right. But who are we to Judge God’s servants? Let the Holy Spirit convict the person. I think we all should spend more time focus on what God is doing than pointing figures at our brothers and sisters. Best to pray for them instead of pointing fingers at each other causing none believers to want nothing to do with us. We are told to think about things above. Meditate on God’s words.

    Pray always with all kinds of pettions. Pray that your eyes and ears will be open to receive God’s truths.. Not just for others but also for yourself.

    • Hugh McCann says:

      They’re not brothers and sisters simply because they claim to be.

      Jesus said, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. {Matt. 7:15-16a}

      He gives us the mandate to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24), so that we might discern who are the dogs, swine, false prophets, wolves, corrupt trees, evil fruit, those who work iniquity (Matt. 7).

      Matt. 7:13-14, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    • Thank you, Tracy, for your thoughtful contribution to this discussion. You express a view that is both widely and, sadly, erroneously held. I encourage you to sift through the many and varied posts I have on my site concerning the question of “judgement of others” by a regenerate believer.

      Blessings,
      S/G

      (Romans 16:17) “Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.”

      Of course Romans 16:17 is not talking about witch hunts, but it does highlight the responsibility of Christian leaders to identify, expose, and reject false teachers wherever and whenever they appear. John MacArthur’s commentary on that very verse is both instructive and encouraging as he points out that passivity is not an option when it comes to wolves among the flock:

      It is the nature of love to warn against harm to those whom it loves. The greatest harm against believers is that which undermines God’s truth in which they live. Love is ready to forgive all evil, but it does not condone or ignore evil, especially in the church.

      The mature Christian is to keep his eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances. Paul is not talking about hair splitting over minor interpretations, or about immature believers who are divisive because of personal preferences. We are to “shun foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9). Paul is here talking about something immeasurably more serious. He is warning about those who challenge and undermine the divinely revealed apostolic teaching they had received.

      Keep your eye on such men, Paul says. Mark them out as false teachers who are to be opposed and avoided. Skopeō (keep your eye on) carries the idea of looking at or observing with intensity. It is from the noun form of that word that we get the scope in telescope and microscope. It means more than simply to look at, but to examine and scrutinize carefully.

      Evangelicals who adhere strictly but unpretentiously to the inerrancy of Scripture and refuse to join ranks with professing believers who compromise God’s Word are often labelled as divisive. But God’s true church is bonded by His Word and the power of His indwelling Spirit, who applies and builds the church on and through that Word. The ones who truly cause destructive division and disharmony, the ungodly dissensions and hindrances about which Paul speaks here, are those who promote and practice falsehood and unrighteousness. No institution or movement can rightly claim unity in Christ if they are not unified in and by His Word. Whatever spiritual unity they may have is based on the spirit of this age, which is satanic, not godly.

      The right response of believers to false teachers, especially those who teach their heresy under the guise of Christianity, is not debate or dialogue. We are to turn away from them, to reject what they teach and to protect fellow believers, especially new converts and the immature, from being deceived, confused, and misled. Paul often argued and debated with unbelievers, both Jew and Gentile (Acts 17:16–17; cf. 9:29; 17:2; 18:4; 19:8–9). He did not, however, provide a platform for those who professed Christ but taught a false and perverted gospel. Such people are not to be debated but denounced.

  4. BBG says:

    Hugh McCann: People are NOT reading their Bibles and NOT judging fruit. Matthew 7:13-14 (Bible already been written and it says “few”=sobering). People are sitting in churches and NOT questioning why Bible isn’t strong foundations going forth at all. People are supporting the hirelings, wolves, false shepherds philanthropic dream and lifestyle and God/Jesus/Holy Spirit doesn’t get any money while most of the women have dethroned their husbands (who is provider and father of their children) and worshipping the pastor over God/Jesus/Holy Spirit.
    Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse by Johnson/Van Vonderan woke me up; Don’t Call Me Brother by Austin Miles. A lot of False Church/Leaders are Pyramid Scheme while Matriarchal B. robbing the family of time/money as it goes to these false regimes/movements (“Exploiting the need to Belong by Stephen Parsons”). Leonard Ravenhill (Elijah type) confronts it head on in his written works. Very Jezebelian Church/Leadership unfortunately; very satanic actually. The Bible says it throughout, all there; if we read, apply and live. Parents who aren’t discerning make their kids sit in this DOGMA and LIES and make their kids life hell if they don’t go to church (so sad*).
    Battle Hymn by John Scura/Dane Phillips expose some pastors that are part of the NWO but NOT enough. Wonder how Pastor’s are really Satanist/Warlocks set up to deceive many set up to suck out your brains, time and money (know for a fact, Luciferian Regimes are funding Pastors, RESEARCH IT; it’s on the Internet and in Books). This is nothing, was BRUTAL with David Wilkerson (absolutely not nice, especially exposing AOG Cult came out of). Go to his website and see Pastors that he post damning people to hell or cursing them that come up against their ministries. A lot of STUPID people in California to keep TBN, Bethel, B. Hinn, R. Warren in their lifestyles; same for GodTV (does every State have a Pastoral Pimp/Whore?). Look at the Book: Thieves by Trey Smith (how many ministers are like that)? Why do Christians want to be brainwashed idiots, that cannot, will NOT and chose NOT to think for themselves, following their leader over the cliff and into hell. Over 350 heads of Church Leadership heard it all and more. Handbook of Denominations (Mead/Hill/Atwood). Pagan Christianity (green cover) by Frank Viola exposes all the Church Leadership LIES like the Bible that the People aren’t heeding.
    P.S. *Didn’t like it, but now Expose the AOG’s for the EVIL cult that they are and they should NOT exist because Home Office when one of their own Pastor’s called them on NOTHING in their History/Foundations on Apostolic and Prophetic “They DO NOT believe in that Doctrine”. Even though the Bible talks about those two gifts. Leonard Ravenhill/Arthur (Art) Katz explain Apostolic/Prophetic best in lay terms. Majority doesn’t know what a true church looks like!

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